All of this again for a two-word message?
A two-word message posted by itself is worth a thousand-word repeat.
Yiiiii!
On Sat, 8 Feb 2014 01:14:34 +0000, Klaus Krippendorff <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>Irene au
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 8, 2014, at 0:32, "Terence Love" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Klaus,
>> Thanks for your message. Sounds like similar conclusions. You have Irene's
>> full name?
>> Best wishes,
>> Terry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Klaus Krippendorff
>> Sent: Saturday, 8 February 2014 6:57 AM
>> To: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and related
>> research in Design
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>> Subject: Re: Engineering and Culture -conflicts?
>>
>> to your question re how to theorize design thinking + the other qualities
>> you mention: I am right now at the interaction14 conference in amsterdam
>> and heard an interesting talk by Irene au that answers your question: a
>> certain kind of meditation klaus
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2014, at 9:14, "Terence Love" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Don,
>>>
>>> Materialist and Behaviourist? Harsh words and not accurate.
>>>
>>> Seriously, as you know there are new directions in cognitive science
>>> replacing representationalist views and mentalism (which seem to be
>>> the paradigms from which you analyse things?).
>>>
>>> The perspective I've been proposing aligns with seeing through a
>>> systems lens human thinking, feeling, emotions and actions shaped by
>>> evolutionary and communicative factors within a framework that
>>> includes external and internal environments. This seems to be where
>>> cognitive science is headed in relation to emotion.
>>>
>>> I appreciate you don't wish to continue this conversation on
>>> phd-design. I would however have been very interested in how you feel
>>> it is best to theorise about the internal conscious and subconscious
>>> processes by which designers shift attention in mind about partially
>>> completed yet unknown designs. That detail of the underlying causality by
>> which shifts in
>>> attention occur in mind is not so easy to explain. I'd be delighted to
>>> hear your views off list.
>>>
>>> Best regards ,
>>> Terry
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [log in to unmask]
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Don Norman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2014 2:01 PM
>>> To: Terry Love
>>> Cc: PhD-Design - This list is for discussion of PhD studies and
>>> related research in Design
>>> Subject: Re: Engineering and Culture -conflicts?
>>>
>>> I am following my own suggestion that replies to postings must be
>>> significantly shorter than the item being referred to. And this will
>>> be my last posting on these various topics.
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Terence Love <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The false belief in objects and light having colour is a similar
>>>> problem of confusing map (theories about objects) and the territory
>>>> (in this case the specific territory is the electromagnetic
>>>> frequency
>>> sensors in humans).
>>>
>>>
>>> It is clear we come from very different schools of thoughts --
>>> different paradigms, if you will, and if paradigms differ, discussion
>>> is often ineffective in resolving issues.
>>>
>>> To me, color is real (hell, i even spell it differently). It is a
>>> psychological perception and we understand most of the details of the
>>> circuitry, how light energy at different frequencies (wavelengths)
>>> excite the eye's receptors, how that gets transformed into an
>>> opponent-process, and what the mapping is between the light array and
>>> the perception (taking into account surface-surround effects (which
>>> are also well understood), adaptation effects, corrections for "white"
>>> (too technical to cover here), and so on. That identical light spectra
>>> can be perceived differently depending upon the surround, prior exposures
>> etc., is also well understood.
>>>
>>> Color science is a real science, even if color is not in the physical
>>> world, just the subjective one. Those bands of color in the rainbow
>>> are really there in the mind, even if they are not in the spectrum.
>>> (we also perceive brown and pink -- and those are not in any spectrum
>> either).
>>>
>>> That's my kind of psychology: understanding how subjective experiences
>>> arise from physical stimulation. And why, although different cultures
>>> have different color names -- and even claim they see fewer or more
>>> distinct colors than we do, we understand how this happens.
>>>
>>> Enough on this topic. You will disagree, so there is no need to write
>>> and tell me. I already know -- and I bet everyone else on this list
>>> knows we disagree about this. You are a materialist, and a
>>> behaviorist. Too bad: you have my sympathies.
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Don Norman
>>> Nielsen Norman Group, IDEO Fellow
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>>> (DOET2).
>>> Course: Udacity On-Line course based on
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