bronac
yes we have already had a discussion on the yasmin list and one of the
points that i tried to make is that the gender issue is only one of many
exclusion mechanisms in our social processes- and that curators
as key gatekeepers in our ecology play important roles- this l,ist would
be a good place to discuss the diversity in curators themselves
dont know what the gender statistics are for curators in the art-sci-tech
community of practice
by coming back to the exclusion point- i also noted the research
these days about homophily in social media and that there is much
evidence that social media and on line behaviour tends to reinforce
like minded people to cluster - and greater polarisation than in physical
space
an easy example is linguistic segregation and that curators naturally
work with artists whose language they share ( and i think that was
the comment re no french artists in the exhibition being discussed here)
several of us have been going every year to the Kosmica events in mexico
city
organised by nahum mantra and one of the delights there- in an
esoteric community of practice- has been the bridging of language
groups in space arts and becoming aware of the work of mexican
artists in space arts- even though their work is on the web- we
tend to read web sites in our own language even if there are now
crude translation tools- of course the fact that search engines re inforce
the linguistic segregation adds to this..as a curator nahum mantra
navigates seamlessly between the english and spanish speaking worlds
and this translation role enables more inclusion
so i think we need to broaden the gender discussion in the history
of our field to other exclusion mechanisms
roger malina
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 8:35 AM, pedro <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Annick, many thanks for the info - do you have links ? pdfs ?
>
> best
>
> pedro
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Annick Bureaud <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Ricardo Dal Farra has done a comprehensive survey of South American
> > pionners in contemporary-electronic music.
> > Many researchers are currently working on pioneers in Chile.
> > The Brazilian are quite well documented (in English in Leonardo and in
> > French in the book I edited for the @rt Outsiders Festival in 2005)
> > This history is being writen, documented, and discussed in places like
> the
> > conf. Media Art Histories and also in some sessions at ISEA.
> > It is NOT the documentation that is really missing ...
> >
> > annick
> >
> >
> > Le 05/02/14 15:25, pedro a écrit :
> >
> > sarah, that is excellent news - thanks for that info.
> >>
> >> right ashok, only europe and united states (and one japanese, resident
> in
> >> paris) are represented !
> >>
> >> ah sorry, there are 3 bogotá boys - emerging contemporary artists and
> >> university teachers - i can only imagine that they are friends of the
> >> curator because they are certainly not "responsible for pioneering
> >> processes and innovations that we use regularly to communicate research,
> >> ideas and ideology" ...
> >>
> >> laura - maybe you could ask John Angel to have a look at this thread and
> >> help us understand the context of his curatorial decisions ... it would
> be
> >> very helpful. Would be great to see the budget too (Bill Viola ? Damien
> >> Hisrt (sic) ????) but that's probably asking too much.
> >>
> >> A pair of my favourite south american pioneers : Juan Downey (from
> chile,
> >> pioneer of video and interactive art, co-editor of Radical Software) and
> >> Jacqueline Nova, the first electroacoustic music composer in Colombia.
> >> Tellingly both artists lived much of their lives in the north (Juan in
> NYC
> >> and Jacqueline in Paris). However, they are both dead.
> >>
> >> best
> >>
> >> pedro
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Sarah Cook <[log in to unmask]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> further to this discussion some of you may have noticed the
> Art+Feminism
> >>> Wikipedia Edit-a-thon which took place across the globe on Saturday
> >>> February 1st.
> >>>
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism
> >>> http://artandfeminism.tumblr.com/
> >>> https://eyebeam.org/events/art-feminism-wikipedia-edit-a-thon
> >>> 80 or so new articles were created, and more than 60 expanded or
> cleaned
> >>> up, and a movement was started.
> >>>
> >>> In Dundee we are going to host another one, probably March 13th, and
> >>> start
> >>> to have regular get-togethers to increase the amount of information
> about
> >>> women artists on that most global of resources.
> >>>
> >>> If you want to add to the list of pages which need editing or creating
> on
> >>> Wikipedia, please do so.
> >>>
> >>> and yes, I agree, it is a race and gender issue.... and I feel we need to
> >>> be
> >>> aware with exhibitions that they are a key part in the historicisation
> >>> of a
> >>> field of practice, especially when they are the "first" show on a topic
> >>> in
> >>> a place or a show that purports to show "pioneers" - how can we balance
> >>> this hyperbole around the practice and complicate the picture of the
> >>> field
> >>> we work in? This particular show in question was collectively curated,
> >>> but
> >>> raises an important problem in this regard.
> >>>
> >>> sarah
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 5 Feb 2014, at 12:35, Bronac Ferran <[log in to unmask]<mailto:
> >>> [log in to unmask]>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Annick and colleagues
> >>>
> >>> The exhibition in Bogota was curated by John Angel Rodriquez - yes?
> >>>
> >>> There has also be some exchange on the Yasmin list about this. One
> >>> contributor commented that there were no French artists involved. I
> don't
> >>> know if this was a serious comment.
> >>>
> >>> Liliane Lijn is someone whose work has been pioneering in many senses.
> >>> She
> >>> wrote a lovely essay recently called Poetry, Language, Code, Industry
> >>> which
> >>> we commissioned for the Visualise: Making Art in Context publication
> >>> (published by Anglia Ruskin University November 2013). If anyone wishes
> >>> to
> >>> contact me offlist I can try to send you the book or at least the
> essay.
> >>> Annick, it is not (yet) in French but I guess could be easily
> translated
> >>> -
> >>> I could ask Liliane - and certainly it offers good insights into the
> >>> nature of being a female artist on pioneering ground over the past five
> >>> decades.
> >>> Best wishes
> >>> B
> >>> Sent from my BlackBerry smartphone from Virgin Media
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Annick Bureaud <[log in to unmask]<mailto:bur
> >>> [log in to unmask]
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Sender: "Curating digital art - www.crumbweb.org<
> >>> http://www.crumbweb.org>" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:
> >>> [log in to unmask]>>
> >>> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 12:51:18
> >>> To: <[log in to unmask]<mailto:
> >>> [log in to unmask]>>
> >>> Reply-To: Annick Bureaud <[log in to unmask]<mailto:bur
> >>> [log in to unmask]
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [NEW-MEDIA-CURATING] digital / analogue exhibition
> >>>
> >>> The spontaneous list was necessary as a reaction, but I
> >>> would be more reluctant in building a map : it puts again
> >>> women in an inferior position.
> >>> Reacting, like in this case, is more important to me and of
> >>> course including them in exhibitions, conferences, etc. And
> >>> documenting their work through art history research and writing.
> >>> This said, in the Leonardo/Olats Pioneers & Pathbreakers
> >>> project : only one women + a couple !!! Ouch ! Should I do
> >>> what I advocate for ?!
> >>> OK. We did not move further into this project by lack of
> >>> fundings, but still...
> >>> If someone is ready to write in French about a woman, I
> >>> would be delighted. I would love to have something on Vera
> >>> Molnar. At the moment, I have zero budget to move on, on
> >>> this project ... and it does take real time to do it in a
> >>> professional way.
> >>> If someone is interested ....
> >>>
> >>> Annick
> >>>
> >>> Le 05/02/14 12:01, Prof. Monika Fleischmann a écrit :
> >>> .... working on a growing map would be a really nice idea.
> >>> Monika
> >>>
> >>> Am 05.02.14 11:39, schrieb Pauline van Mourik Broekman:
> >>> Hey Marc, no sweat, that's how I - for one - read it
> >>> completely; and I
> >>> really don't understand how anyone could be insulted by
> >>> such an incredibly
> >>> generous list. Clearly, we're not looking here for an
> >>> ultimate and newly
> >>> objective 'map', that's the whole point! We're looking
> >>> more for an
> >>> approach and awareness, of different partialities, and how
> >>> to robustly
> >>> tilt them......
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the hour, and hours, you put in :)
> >>>
> >>> Pauline.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> marc garrett wrote:
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> I just wanted to respond to those surprised I did not
> >>> included them in
> >>> the list.
> >>>
> >>> Well, of course I'm going to miss out names and you're
> >>> missing the
> >>> point. It's an example not a literal replacement.
> >>>
> >>> I spent an hour of my time compiling the selected
> >>> 'female' names to
> >>> highlight how extensive this issue is.
> >>>
> >>> We need to change this not by compiling lists (it's a
> >>> start) but by
> >>> challenging our own compliance allowing it to happen. It
> >>> misrepresents
> >>> our culture and practice and we should be embarrassed if
> >>> we let it go on.
> >>>
> >>> When ever women and working class people, are viewed
> >>> through the usual
> >>> protocols and defaults of the patriarchal gaze of an
> >>> 'assumed'
> >>> objectivity. It implements a mythology via processes of
> >>> non-inclusion.
> >>> This enhances the condition to further introduce the idea
> >>> of women and
> >>> others not included as subordinates rather than as being
> >>> part of the
> >>> whole story.
> >>>
> >>> Recognizing this condition is the start of being
> >>> conscious of it.
> >>> Critiquing this repeated behaviour demands another level
> >>> of engagement.
> >>>
> >>> To borrow a phrase from Haraway, it would have to be "a
> >>> feminist voice;
> >>> it is also a whisper of humanism".
> >>>
> >>> Wishing you well.
> >>>
> >>> marc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------
> >>> Annick Bureaud ([log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>)
> >>> tel: 33/(0)1 43 20 92 23
> >>> mobile/cell : 33/(0)6 86 77 65 76
> >>> Leonardo/Olats : http://www.olats.org
> >>> Web : http://www.annickbureaud.net
> >>> Collectif Nunc : http://www.nunc.com
> >>> -------------------------
> >>>
> >>> ===
> >>>
> >>> Dr. Sarah Cook
> >>> Reader / Dundee Fellow
> >>> Duncan of Jordanstone College of Art and Design
> >>> University of Dundee
> >>> 13 Perth Road DD1 4HT
> >>>
> >>> phone: 01382 385247
> >>> email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The University of Dundee is a registered Scottish Charity, No: SC015096
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> > --
> >
> > ------------------------
> > Annick Bureaud ([log in to unmask])
> > tel: 33/(0)1 43 20 92 23
> > mobile/cell : 33/(0)6 86 77 65 76
> > Leonardo/Olats : http://www.olats.org
> > Web : http://www.annickbureaud.net
> > Collectif Nunc : http://www.nunc.com
> > -------------------------
> >
>
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