This made me think more along the lines of Frank O'Hara and his attempt in
poems like Second Avenue to write like the abstract expressionists were
painting, that is an attempt at scale and a consequential attack on
figuration (so that the abstraction was not a distorted interpretation of
visual reality, but was something big and bold enough to exist in its own
right). If you know Second Avenue, you can wonder, along with me, how well
he did..."rather less successfully"...but as Ashbery says about it, "The
poem is the chronicle of the creative act that produces it."
Then there are those who go the other way around, the painters who use
words/writing like poets would. Cy Twombly is interesting because he is
often about writing: http://www.cytwombly.info/twombly_writings1.htm. "The
painter/used his paint/in the manner/Patrick McManus/used to write..."?!
On 20 February 2014 08:00, Sheila Murphy <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> As one immersed in visual poetry, I must begin by saying that Peter C is a
> unique and brilliant force in the arena. There are many very fine ones you
> may wish to check out.
>
> http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/article/182397
> Here is one place to start, but there are many others, and once you get
> into this, you'll never get out :) (yours truly was featured there in a
> collaboration with K.S. Ernst),
>
> A terrific anthology that followed is utterly scrumptious. Nico Vassilakis
> and Crag Hill edited masterfully this volume
>
> http://www.amazon.com/The-Last-Vispo-Anthology-1998-2008/dp/1606996266
> (I served with several others as contributing editor and have some work
> herein).
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Barry Alpert <[log in to unmask]
> >wrote:
>
> > P,
> >
> > I can't think of other visual poets whose work seems particularly similar
> > to that published by Peter Ciccariello, but I don't claim to be a
> thorough
> > scholar in that field.
> >
> > I do wonder whether there's a visual artist who has studied the
> > documentary footage of Pollock painting and has deliberately tried to
> > extrapolate directly from just that process of composition.
> >
> > B
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 16:14:21 -0000, Patrick McManus <
> > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > >Barry thanks you are right cheers P any suggestions re names of visual
> > poets like Peter Ciccariello? cheers P
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On
> > Behalf Of Barry Alpert
> > >Sent: 19 February 2014 15:50
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: pat snap 614 """""""""""""""""""""""
> > >
> > >Patrick,
> > >
> > >Couldn't "as" be edited out without loss?
> > >
> > >I wonder which poets we could name might derive precisely from Pollock's
> > process of composition?
> > >
> > >Barry
> > >
> > >On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:36:12 -0000, Patrick McManus <
> > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >
> > >>POET
> > >>
> > >>the poet
> > >>used his words
> > >>in the manner as
> > >>Jackson Pollock
> > >>used to paint
> > >>but rather less
> > >>successfully
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>pmcmanus
> > >>r465
> >
>
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