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Re: What really happens in XDSCONV?

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Tim Gruene <[log in to unmask]>

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Tim Gruene <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 14 Feb 2014 16:25:53 +0100

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Dear Derek,

I would actually recommend using pointless (or xprep) instead of
xdsconv. It is much easier to use and maybe even less error prone.

All your quotes from the output are perfectly consistent. The first
table tells you there are 190093 unmerged reflections in total, but
only 44059 unique reflections. Hence if you ask xdsconv to merge the
output (MERGE=TRUE), it will do so and only write 44047 (a few less
than 44059 because it rejects those 19 unmerged reflections with
I<-3sigma).

The documentation tells you:
"MERGE=TRUE means that the weighted mean of symmetry equivalent
reflection intensities appearing in the input file will be determined
and used in the output file."

xscale does not scale data in a crystallographic sense since scaling
is already done in the CORRECT step of XDS. It put the data on a
common scale (in a sophisticated manner), i.e. if you only have one
data set there is no need to run xscale except for the thinner shells
for the statistics table compared to CORRECT.

Best,
Tim

On 02/14/2014 03:57 PM, Derek Logan wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am a long time user of XDS (20 years this year) but all the same
> I find that I have constant angst about losing observations because
> I don't understand what goes in in the conversion steps to get to
> CCP4 format. I used to believe that XSCALE was always necessary,
> and I always use it in my workflow even if there is only one
> dataset (after all, there's nothing to lose), but my Ph.D. students
> pointed out to me that XDSCONV could take output directly from
> CORRECT, and they often do it this way. The XDS wiki and XDSCONV
> docs seems to confirm this: using MERGE=TRUE in XDSCONV should
> output the geometrical mean of the observations. However I am
> worried by what the XDSCONV output says. For today's example
> CORRECT gives me this:
> 
> NUMBER OF REFLECTIONS IN SELECTED SUBSET OF IMAGES  190093 NUMBER
> OF REJECTED MISFITS                            3842 NUMBER OF
> SYSTEMATIC ABSENT REFLECTIONS                 34 NUMBER OF ACCEPTED
> OBSERVATIONS                     186217 NUMBER OF UNIQUE ACCEPTED
> REFLECTIONS                44059
> 
> XDSCONV says the following:
> 
> FRIEDEL'S_LAW=TRUE MERGE=TRUE NUMBER OF REFLECTION RECORDS ON INPUT
> FILE      190093 NUMBER OF IGNORED REFLECTIONS (I< -3.0*SIGMA)
> 19 NUMBER OF REFLECTIONS ACCEPTED FROM INPUT FILE   44047
> 
> To my literal mind this says it is throwing away most of the
> observations. Now if I merge the reflections in XSCALE first it
> says this:
> 
> FRIEDEL'S_LAW=TRUE MERGE=TRUE NUMBER OF REFLECTION RECORDS ON INPUT
> FILE       44046 NUMBER OF IGNORED REFLECTIONS (I< -3.0*SIGMA)
> 0 NUMBER OF REFLECTIONS ACCEPTED FROM INPUT FILE   44046
> 
> which makes more sense. If I compare the first few reflections of
> the output file with structure factor amplitudes from XDSCONV for
> each scenario they are different, but I believe that is because
> XSCALE has put the intensities on an absolute scale and CORRECT has
> not.
> 
> Basically all I want to know is that the output from XDSCONV is
> misleadingly worded, i.e. that even if it appears to say that only
> the asymmetric unit has been accepted, actually all observations
> have gone in and the geometric mean is indeed output. That would
> put my mind to rest!
> 
> /Derek 
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> 
Derek Logan                                         tel: +46 46 222 1443
> Associate Professor                                 mob: +46 76
> 8585 707 Dept. of Biochemistry and Structural Biology
> www.cmps.lu.se<http://www.cmps.lu.se> Centre for Molecular Protein
> Science
> www.maxlab.lu.se/node/307<http://www.maxlab.lu.se/node/307> Lund
> University, Box 124, 221 00 Lund, Sweden
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Dr Tim Gruene
Institut fuer anorganische Chemie
Tammannstr. 4
D-37077 Goettingen

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