Ruth and list
Just to point out, as all true Yorkshire people will know, that the geographic boundaries of Yorkshire remain as they always were. All that happened in 1974 was the boundaries and names of some artificial local government entities changed.
If you consider this a somewhat facetious point, note that there has never been a "Yorkshire County Council", but there is quite clearly an entity called "Yorkshire". So the concept and identity of "Yorkshire" are independent of whatever temporary local government structures might happen to be in existence at any particular time.
This also of course applies to other English shires and counties e.g. Manchester and Liverpool are still in Lancashire, as is Barrow-in-Furness: "the area administered by the current Lancashire County Council" and "Lancashire" are not the same thing. But the example is clearer when you think about Yorkshire because there has never been a local government body which coincidentally used the whole county name.
The serious practical issue that arises from all this is that using the "pre-1974" geographic county boundaries remains the most stable way of geo-locating English place references.
Happy advent!
Richard
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-----Original Message-----
From: From: Local-History list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ruth Paley
Sent: 29 November 2013 14:29
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Subject: Re: Yorkshire/Lancs boundary
Great, many thanks.
Regards
Ruth
-----Original Message-----
From: From: Local-History list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Canning
Sent: 29 November 2013 13:16
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Subject: Re: Yorkshire/Lancs boundary
Sadly the boundaries changed in 1974 when Yorkshire lost much territory to Lancashire Durham and Cumbria.
The boundary used to be the Ribble and Hodder.
Whaley was only partly n the west riding.
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> On 29 Nov 2013, at 12:47, Ruth Paley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> I am confused about a place name. In his will James Hay, earl of Carlisle refers to his ownership of Walley or Wawley, including the dissolved monastery of Walley in Craven, Yorkshire which I think must be Whalley Abbey, but that is in Lancashire. Have the boundaries changed? The will was composed in March 1660.
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> Regards
> Ruth
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