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Re: The most basic of Friday afternoon questions

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Elizabeth Oxborrow-Cowan <[log in to unmask]>

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Elizabeth Oxborrow-Cowan <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 6 Dec 2013 14:27:07 +0000

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I have not yet thrown in that I did not really point out the cost of
creating and keeping copies to my friend. Why this idea that a copy is
somehow easier to keep than the original rather than actually having an
additional creation stage prior to its curation?

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Oxborrow-Cowan Msc, MIC, RMARA
Consultant Archivist and Director

Elizabeth Oxborrow-Cowan Associates
01939 234289/ 07719 609894
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On 06/12/2013 14:17, "Meic Pierce Owen" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>And for electronic, the metadata and system logs will do the same...
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Archivists, conservators and records managers.
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of GRAHAM Susan
>Sent: 06 December 2013 14:16
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: The most basic of Friday afternoon questions
>
>The original document can provide evidence of authenticity that a copy
>cannot through analysis of things such as inks, materials and
>handwriting styles.
>
>Also, the physical materials and make up of the original are an
>information resource as well.  For example, binding materials and
>techniques are the subject of study in themselves.
>Best wishes
>
>Susan Graham
>
>
>--
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>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Archivists, conservators and records managers.
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Oakman Phil
>Sent: 06 December 2013 14:05
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: The most basic of Friday afternoon questions
>
>I think that Andrew has highlighted a difficulty in any discussion on
>the validity of originals.  We should be interested in the information
>and contextual pointers for any document but even we as archivists are
>enamoured with the idea of "the original document as an artefact".  What
>are we preserving for future researchers?  Is it the information or is
>it the packaging it comes in, although obviously the method of
>production of the information (Paper, parchment, electronic, etc) will
>provide important contextual metadata it is not the core evidence.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Archivists, conservators and records managers.
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Payne, Andrew
>Sent: 06 December 2013 13:54
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: The most basic of Friday afternoon questions
>
>I would suggest a simple experiment as follows:
>
>
>1.    Select a suitably impressive document - something that has major
>local or national historical significance or, if possible, one that
>would have deep personal resonance for him (even a personal family
>document). A holograph would be particularly good but it's not
>essential.
>
>
>2.    Transcribe said document into a suitably boring typeface e.g.
>Arial 10 point, and print on to A4 paper or display as a Word document
>on screen (preferably with all the paraphernalia of menus etc)
>
>
>
>3.    Keep the original out of sight, but in a conveniently located box
>(maybe with a cover and tied up in archival tape etc to add to the
>theatre).
>
>
>
>4.    Invite your sceptical friend in and say you wish to show them a
>document that you think they will find interesting.
>
>
>
>5.    Reveal the transcript on screen or paper and discuss the
>significance of the document with them to engage them with the
>"information" which the document holds.
>
>
>
>6.    Once they are suitably engaged, dramatically reveal the original
>with plenty of theatre to help build their anticipation.
>
>
>
>7.    Present them with the original, allow them to handle it if
>possible, and stand back to monitor reaction.
>
>
>
>8.    If he can genuinely say he is has no response to the original
>document as an artefact (as opposed to simply a piece of "information")
>then check his pulse and breathing for signs of human life.
>
>
>Good luck!
>
>Andrew
>Andrew Payne
>Head of Education & Outreach
>The National Archives
>Tel: +44 (0)20 8392 5319
>Email: [log in to unmask]
>Web: www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
>See our new document bundle about Attlee's Britain
>www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/topics/attlees-britain.htm
>
>From: Archivists, conservators and records managers.
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
>Oxborrow-Cowan
>Sent: 06 December 2013 13:02
>To: JISCMAIL Archives
>Subject: The most basic of Friday afternoon questions
>
>Dear Colleagues
>
>I have utterly failed my profession.  Over a rather good bottle of red
>last Friday night I could not convince a friend of the importance of the
>original document (even though I have countered this several times for
>clients).  He simply could not see why you could not just have copies
>and I was unable to find what to him was the killer argument.  I thought
>this was an interesting fact as it perhaps displayed how the general
>public fail to understand why archives matter whilst all the time
>benefitting from their presence. My friend is very intelligent and
>certainly no cultural barbarian.  So, I thought I would lay this one
>before my esteemed colleagues.  I also thought that it might provide
>some of you with useful ideas for when it is your Chief Executive rather
>than a slightly tipsy chum throwing this one at you.
>
>I look forward to all your comments, which I will then collate and pass
>on to said friend and see if I can change his mind. All responses
>welcome both serious and not so serious
>
>With warm regards
>
>Elizabeth
>
>Elizabeth Oxborrow-Cowan Msc, MIC, RMARA Consultant Archivist and
>Director
>
>Elizabeth Oxborrow-Cowan Associates
>01939 234289/ 07719 609894
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