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John,
I am pretty sure we had one or two
Universe meetings there also. Can
you remember. That would have been
before 1986. I know the Unviverse
planning meetings were largely at
RAL not Coseners.
Peter
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>Dear Ian
>I had a quick look at some stuff I have in
> my loft. I have a programme for =
>a meeting at Cosener's about Unison dated
>April 1985. People were there fom=
> RAL=2C Acorn=2C BT=2C Cambridge=2C Loughb
>orough=2C Logica=2C and Alvey. Yo=
>u and Roger were there with a just arrived
> David Tennenhouse and Pat Coen a=
>nd Peter Clark were among the Logica peopl
>e. There was no one from outside =
>Unison apart from the Alvey people (includ
>ing Bartlett) and one BT guy. It =
> had the usual format without the first mo
>rning session=2C i.e. only 2 sess=
>ions. I remember it as it the occasion whe
>n David Tennenhouse introduced th=
>e idea of the 'Ramp'. The first full Cosen
>er's meeting with proceedings and=
> colour photo that I have is for 1990. I a
>m sure that before the end of Uni=
>son we were having annual meetings at Cose
>ner's. You remember the meeting o=
>n ATM at the MIT Chateau in deep snow. Chr
>is Cooper and I first met John Ad=
>ams there and we invited him to the follow
>ing Cosener's meeting and I think=
> that was the first time we invited someon
>e with no connection to Universe =
>and its successors. I know that there was
> a famous meeting at Cosener's=2C=
> which I was not at=2C when Roger harangue
>d Bartlett well into the small ho=
>urs.
>I will see if I can find anything about me
>etings at Cosener's between 1986 =
>and 1989.
>Nice to hear from you
>Regards
>John=20
>
>> Date: Sat=2C 16 Nov 2013 09:21:30 +0000
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: When was the first cosner's
> meeting
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>=20
>> Hamed=2C
>>=20
>> Thanks for putting this together. Rathe
>r than diving it to modify text=
>=2C I would just make a few observations.
>>=20
>> When you say
>>=20
>> "the first Universe meeting at Coseners
>house was in the summer of 1987."
>>=20
>> I think you mean Unison not Universe.
>>=20
>> I don't recall any pre-Universe meetings
> on Cambridge Rings at Cosener's =
> (BTW the spelling of
>> Cosener's is not always right in the doc
>ument.) I do recall one at UCL (=
>1979 because my car broke
>> down on the way back).
>>=20
>> But more importantly=2C I think the etho
>s of what became MSN really start=
>ed with Universe with continual meetings w
>ith a slowly evolving group of pe=
>ople. The real transition was when it beca
>me an open event.
>>=20
>> Ian
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 16 Nov 2013=2C at 04:04=2C Hamed Hadd
>adi <[log in to unmask]<mailto=
>:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>=20
>> Dear all
>>=20
>> putting all this together in a concise=2
>C and definitive manner hasn't be=
>en easy=2C I have to resort to crowdsourci
>ng and a bit of help from the sen=
>iors
>>=20
>> I have put the more coseners-relevant=2C
> and less project/internet histor=
>y=2C text here. please feel free to modify
> it if you have certain informati=
>on=2C as soon as it converges within the n
>ext week or two we can update the=
> website
>>=20
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lypM
>Ys0TmhEygLEQ0PJspGi7ZWKG-UiVbU26M=
>y4F1ac/edit
>>=20
>> MOST IMPORTANT: please kindly fill up th
>e Brendan Murphy prize winners in=
> the list as well
>>=20
>> many thanks
>>=20
>>=20
>> =3D=3D
>> Hamed http://www.eecs.qmul.ac.uk/~
>hamed/
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 21 July 2013 04:09=2C Hamed Haddadi <
>[log in to unmask]<mailto:hame=
>[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>> Hello=2C
>>=20
>> just going through these=2C soon I will
>try to build up a more or less co=
>eherent story from all this and put it up
>on the new http://coseners.net<ht=
>tp://coseners.net/> (thanks to Iain Philip
>s for domain name and set up.. co=
>ntent following soon!)
>>=20
>> btw=2C also if you know who has been run
>ning MSN/NGN/etc over all those y=
>ears=2C just let me know so I start fillin
>g the steering committee page
>>=20
>> any other info=2C websites=2C pictures=2
>C pointers to hidden gems=2C let =
>me know :)
>>=20
>> cheers
>>=20
>>=20
>> =3D=3D
>> Hamed (Currently at AT&T Research Labs=2
>C NJ)
>> http://www.eecs.qmul.ac.uk/~hamed/
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 6 May 2010 04:18=2C Ian Wakeman <ianw
>@sussex.ac.uk<mailto:[log in to unmask]
>ac.uk>> wrote:
>> Ran Atkinson wrote:
>> (I don't have posting privileges to the
>NGN list=2C so I'm
>> sending this unicast. Feel free to redi
>rect to the NGN
>> list or someone else as you think sensib
>le. :-)
>>=20
>> It would be worthwhile maybe for someone
> to try to compile/edit all this =
>into a single text and put it up on some w
>eb site for historical/archival r=
>easons.
>> I've certainly learned a lot from this t
>hread=2C
>> and it gives a more clear picture of UK
>networking
>> research over the past 20+ years.
>>=20
>>=20
>> This is a great idea=2C and I will get t
>his done very soon.
>>=20
>> I'm going to go live for registration at
> the start of next week=2C with t=
>he normal announcement.
>>=20
>> cheers
>> ian
> =
>
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>>Dear Ian<br>I had a quick look a=
>t some stuff I have in my loft. I have a p
>rogramme for a meeting at Cosener=
>'s about Unison dated April 1985. People w
>ere there fom RAL=2C Acorn=2C BT=
>=2C Cambridge=2C Loughborough=2C Logica=2C
> and Alvey. You and Roger were th=
>ere with a just arrived David Tennenhouse
>and Pat Coen and Peter Clark were=
> among the Logica people. There was no one
> from outside Unison apart from t=
>he Alvey people (including Bartlett) and o
>ne BT guy. It =3B had the usu=
>al format without the first morning sessio
>n=2C i.e. only 2 sessions. I reme=
>mber it as it the occasion when David Tenn
>enhouse introduced the idea of th=
>e 'Ramp'. The first full Cosener's meeting
> with proceedings and colour phot=
>o that I have is for 1990. I am sure that
>before the end of Unison we were =
>having annual meetings at Cosener's. You r
>emember the meeting on ATM at the=
> MIT Chateau in deep snow. Chris Cooper an
>d I first met John Adams there an=
>d we invited him to the following Cosener'
>s meeting and I think that was th=
>e first time we invited someone with no co
>nnection to Universe and its succ=
>essors. =3B I know that there was a fa
>mous meeting at Cosener's=2C whic=
>h I was not at=2C when Roger harangued Bar
>tlett well into the small hours.<=
>br>I will see if I can find anything about
> meetings at Cosener's between 19=
>86 and 1989.<br>Nice to hear from you<br>R
>egards<br>John <br><br><div>>=
>=3B Date: Sat=2C 16 Nov 2013 09:21:30 +000
>0<br>>=3B From: [log in to unmask]
>am.ac.uk<br>>=3B Subject: Re: When was t
>he first cosner's meeting<br>>=
>=3B To: [log in to unmask]<br>>=3B <br>&
>gt=3B Hamed=2C<br>>=3B <br>>=
>=3B Thanks for putting this together. Rat
>her than diving it to modify text=
>=2C I would just make a few observations.<
>br>>=3B <br>>=3B When you say=
><br>>=3B <br>>=3B "the first Universe
>meeting at Coseners house was in =
>the summer of 1987."<br>>=3B <br>>=3B
>I think you mean Unison not Unive=
>rse.<br>>=3B <br>>=3B I don't recall a
>ny pre-Universe meetings on Cambr=
>idge Rings at Cosener's (BTW the spelling
> of<br>>=3B Cosener's is not al=
>ways right in the document.) I do recall
>one at UCL (1979 because my car b=
>roke<br>>=3B down on the way back).<br>&
>gt=3B <br>>=3B But more importa=
>ntly=2C I think the ethos of what became M
>SN really started with Universe w=
>ith continual meetings with a slowly evolv
>ing group of people. The real tra=
>nsition was when it became an open event.<
>br>>=3B <br>>=3B Ian<br>>=
>=3B <br>>=3B <br>>=3B On 16 Nov 2013=2
>C at 04:04=2C Hamed Haddadi <=
>[log in to unmask]<=3Bmailto:hamed
>@eecs.qmul.ac.uk>=3B>=3B wrot=
>e:<br>>=3B <br>>=3B Dear all<br>>=3B
> <br>>=3B putting all this toge=
>ther in a concise=2C and definitive manner
> hasn't been easy=2C I have to re=
>sort to crowdsourcing and a bit of help fr
>om the seniors<br>>=3B <br>>=
>=3B I have put the more coseners-relevant=
>2C and less project/internet hist=
>ory=2C text here. please feel free to modi
>fy it if you have certain informa=
>tion=2C as soon as it converges within the
> next week or two we can update t=
>he website<br>>=3B <br>>=3B https://do
>cs.google.com/document/d/1lypMYs0=
>TmhEygLEQ0PJspGi7ZWKG-UiVbU26My4F1ac/edit<
>br>>=3B <br>>=3B MOST IMPORTA=
>NT: please kindly fill up the Brendan Murp
>hy prize winners in the list as w=
>ell<br>>=3B <br>>=3B many thanks<br>&g
>t=3B <br>>=3B <br>>=3B =3D=3D=
><br>>=3B Hamed http://www.eecs.qmu
>l.ac.uk/~hamed/<br>>=3B <br>>=
>=3B <br>>=3B On 21 July 2013 04:09=2C Ha
>med Haddadi &[log in to unmask]
>.ac.uk<=3Bmailto:[log in to unmask]&g
>t=3B>=3B wrote:<br>>=3B Hello=
>=2C<br>>=3B <br>>=3B just going throug
>h these=2C soon I will try to bui=
>ld up a more or less coeherent story from
>all this and put it up on the new=
> http://coseners.net<=3Bhttp://coseners.
>net/>=3B (thanks to Iain Philip=
>s for domain name and set up.. content fol
>lowing soon!)<br>>=3B <br>>=
>=3B btw=2C also if you know who has been r
>unning MSN/NGN/etc over all those=
> years=2C just let me know so I start fill
>ing the steering committee page<b=
>r>>=3B <br>>=3B any other info=2C webs
>ites=2C pictures=2C pointers to h=
>idden gems=2C let me know :)<br>>=3B <br
>>>=3B cheers<br>>=3B <br>>=
>=3B <br>>=3B =3D=3D<br>>=3B Hamed (Cur
>rently at AT&=3BT Research Lab=
>s=2C NJ)<br>>=3B http://www.eecs.qmul.ac
>.uk/~hamed/<br>>=3B <br>>=3B =
><br>>=3B On 6 May 2010 04:18=2C Ian Wake
>man &[log in to unmask]<=3B=
>mailto:[log in to unmask]>=3B>=3B wrote
>:<br>>=3B Ran Atkinson wrote:<b=
>r>>=3B (I don't have posting privileges
>to the NGN list=2C so I'm<br>>=
>=3B sending this unicast. Feel free to re
>direct to the NGN<br>>=3B list =
>or someone else as you think sensible. :-)
><br>>=3B <br>>=3B It would be=
> worthwhile maybe for someone to try to co
>mpile/edit all this into a single=
> text and put it up on some web site for h
>istorical/archival reasons.<br>&g=
>t=3B I've certainly learned a lot from thi
>s thread=2C<br>>=3B and it give=
>s a more clear picture of UK networking<br
>>>=3B research over the past 20=
>+ years.<br>>=3B <br>>=3B <br>>=3B T
>his is a great idea=2C and I will=
> get this done very soon.<br>>=3B <br>&g
>t=3B I'm going to go live for reg=
>istration at the start of next week=2C wit
>h the normal announcement.<br>>=
>=3B <br>>=3B cheers<br>>=3B ian<br></d
>iv> <
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