Thanks!
I don't have all the variants of the Welsh vernacular chronicles to
hand, but S has 'y bu ymlad y Brune' with one of the witnesses having
the form 'Brynnev' (Thomas Jones, ByS, p.30 and fn.17). None of the the
Welsh sources exhibit 'burh' or 'dun' or similar generic. The
vernacular chronicles are held to be translations of a Latin exemplar
or exemplars.
HGC
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From: Richard Coates <[log in to unmask]>
To: EPNL <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:47
Subject: Re: [EPNL] Brunanburh & Browney
Brun in c.1125 (forgery), c.1195, 1242, 1248, 1268, 1270 and 1335;
Brune in
c.1190 and c.1300; Bruni (Latin genitive?) in c.1190; all from Ekwall,
ERN).
Richard
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Henry Gough-Cooper
Sent: 12 November 2013 11:38
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Subject: Re: [EPNL] Brunanburh & Browney
What are the earliest forms for the Browney? Andrew was not forthcoming
with
these at Stirling!
I would remark that the c.1100 witness to the Welsh Latin chronicle
(compiled
c.960?) has 'Bellum brune' for the battle.
Henry Gough-Cooper
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Subject: Re: [EPNL] Brunanburh & Browney
My problem with Andrew’s solution is that it requires the river name to
be a
weak feminine noun, but there is little trace of a suitable inflectin
in the
earliest records of the name.
Richard
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Martin Counihan
Sent: 12 November 2013 10:13
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Thank you, that is of considerable interest to me. My Spanish is weak,
but it
seems that Andrew Breeze claims that the Battle of Brunanburh actually
took
place by the river Browney near Lanchester. The common view (in my
understanding) is that the battle took place at Bromborough on
Merseyside. I
must say that it has always seemed to me to be a little odd,
geographically
speaking, for the Alban and English armies to have met on the Wirral.
Do other members of this list feel that Andrew Breeze's claim is
plausible,
linguistically speaking?
Martin Counihan
On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:33:08 -0000, Keith Briggs <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
Possibly of interest (if only for being the world’s longest URL):
http://www.unav.edu/web/facultad-de-filosofia-y-letras/detalle-noticia/2013/10/31/un-investigador-del-departamento-de-filologia-decubre-donde-tuvo-lugar-la-batalla-de-brunanburh/-/asset_publisher/4G6p/content/2013_10_31_fyl_un-investigador-del-departamento-de-filologia-decubre-donde-tuvo-lugar-la-batalla-de-brunanburh/10174
Keith
PS: why has Brunanburh in the heading become Burnanburh in the article?
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