It would be good if you could find a record of it having been stolen...be this in the Council minutes or a local paper or whatever. The good news is that it is the county archive that is best placed to help you find such things :)
As the item has significant signatures, it is unlikely it was disposed of and, had this been the case, it may have acquired a stamp to say so. As I say, this seems unlikely to me.
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Subject: Re: "Stray" Item for Sale on Etsy - what can we do?
I'm not a lawyer and I know that there are difficult edge cases in all of this, but I don't think your colleague's experience correctly defines the legal situation.
A purchaser in good faith does not acquire title to something if the seller didn't own it. The 'good faith' does protect the purchaser from any criminal consequences but no more. If the true owner is able to demonstrate their ownership, they can reclaim the property.
The purchaser may then be able to sue the seller, and so on back through the chain until one reaches someone who was not acting in good faith.
That, at least, is the theory. Practice can be more difficult. As Ed Sharpe has said, you'll need to be able to demonstrate ownership, but not necessarily in any absolute sense. (That is, the balance of probabilities is the test to apply.)
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> I'll talk to them, but I wanted to find out what other archives had
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> It appears that the Helensburgh Town Hall visitors' book is for sale on Etsy.
> This includes Royal signatures. I have no idea how this came to be
> in private hands. Is there anything we can do to get it back (other
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