On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Charlotte Frost <[log in to unmask]
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> Is this post one of the most iconic pieces of net art history?
> http://www.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-9703/msg00094.html
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How about:

From: "Vuk Cosic" <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:12:23 CET
Subject: Re: [7-11] backbone
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ho
> whats a net.art backbone?
good one,
i suppose it's a providers idea of 7-11
sorta

v

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http://jupiter.ucsd.edu/~bookchin/finalProject.html



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 [that link waybackmachined:
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 10:59:39 -0800 (PST)
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From: [log in to unmask] (Natalie Bookchin)
Subject: Re: [7-11] A word from the hostess.
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Interview
Natalie: Do you want to know why there is no net art in california?

Natalie: Um.. there isn't? Yes do tell me why?

Natalie: I think its because we dont have time to waste on things that we
cant hang in our beach condos.

Natalie And of course we're also buzy walking on the beach, looking at the
ocean, napping under the palm trees, eating the best of pacific rim cooking

Natalie: also we dont have the net yet hooked up in our cars yet

Natalie: thats not true

Natalie: yes it is.


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LET'S CRANK THE SOUND WAY UP
LET'S DANCE AROUND THE GLOBE
NO ONE STOP UNTIL WE ALL DROP

[+ Make no mistake, "net.art" as a discussion topic has been oscillating
constantly since 97]:

From: dd <[log in to unmask]>
To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>,
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Subject: RE: [7-11] the meaning of the inner circle
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 00:51:19 +0200
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Essential to art is the work of art.
Essential to work of art are the spectators and the artist.
Essential to both is what could be art produced by works today.

The form of every artwork could not full of meaning, but full of new
artistic and dynamic values.

We can still talk/meet where it is possible to make an effort for another
work.
where, spectators and artists are the essential faces who charges a living
form. The more dispersed of the circle of both, generates the more concrete
of the form, in its classical fond.

Net by itself is not enough, it needs the art form, generated by what could
be the work.
The materials for the work could be everything. The form's life between
people, generates the materials, not the opposite.


the inner circle is an interesting phenomenon
I have been contemplating on its meaning
just today I found in some old nettime posting
a possible insight into what meaning is in general
which seems very useful for the question:
what is the meaning of an inner circle?

"The line of the argument, as it
was developed by Ernesto Laclau, goes as follows: He starts from the
Saussurian assumption that meaning arises only within a system of
differences. The possibility of a system of differences, however, depends
on the possibility of its limits - and these limits cannot belong to the
side of the system, since in that case the limit was just another
difference and, hence, no limit. It is only as far as we perceive the
outside of the system as a radical outside (and the limit therefore as an
exclusionary limit) that we can speak of systematicity or meaning at all.
As a consequence the limits cannot be signified themselves, they can only
'show themselves as the interruption or breakdown of the process of
signification' (Laclau 1996:37). The radicality of the radical outside
(non-meaning) is not only the condition of possibility for the
establishment of a structure (meaning) it is at the same time the condition
of impossibility of the establishment of a structure as closed totality
(full meaning). The effect of the exclusionary limit, in other words, 'is
that it introduces an essential ambivalence within the system of
differences constituted by those limits' (Laclau 1996:38)."

What is essential to net.art?
Where can we still talk/meet and where not?
Who decides on what thinking who to prank?
Are pranked inner circle?


happy days


J
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