Possibly of interest on this topic: this article provides some good food
for thought about relying on side products from Google.

http://www.maxkemman.nl/2013/09/what-if-google-killed-scholar/

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On 8 October 2013 14:10, Taylor, Sarah <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> That's certainly an interesting take on the matter (and as an aside I
> love the idea of an e-strategy, so thanks for that!) and I agree with
> everything you say about the ease of using Google. I think it's the
> old-fashioned librarian in me who would like to steer users away from
> Google and encourage exclusive use of library materials, but I am also a
> realist and appreciate the way in which users understandably operate.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Sarah
>
>
> Sarah Taylor
> Electronic Resources Librarian
> The Peter Marsh Library
> University of Bolton
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: An informal open list set up by UKSG - Connecting the Information
> Community [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris
> Keene
> Sent: 08 October 2013 13:23
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [lis-e-resources] ScienceDirect and Google
>
> This discussion may be of interest
> http://friendfeed.com/lsw/df039dcc/google-and-elsevier-this-posted-to-li
> stserv
> It would appear that it involves users within your Uni/library IP range
> having sciencedirect fulltext content added to the google index and so
> will be searched - like everything else in the google index - when users
> search Google (makes no mention of Scholar).
>
> It is worth remembering that the Google index includes almost everything
> freely available on the web, so that will already include the full text
> of all OA material, and bibliographic data of all online articles. It
> only doesn't already include most sciencedirect content because it is
> behind a paywall. This simply brings sciencedirect content in line with
> OA and other material.
>
>
> As an aside, I found the discussion about not wanting to do this because
> of the want to promote the advantages of library provided tools
> interesting.
>
> Certainly here, we know that many of our users like using Google and
> find it easy to use, and often works quite well with discovering
> academic content, and for me, can't be beaten in terms of copying an
> entire reference for somewhere and quickly finding the full text (I say
> this as the person running our discovery service).
>
> Our (Sussex) e-strategy (2011) alludes to this sort of thing in a
> roundabout way:
> " 2.3 Ensuring our data is exposed as widely as possible We will ensure
> that it is possible to access our services through third party
> applications such as Google, Google Scholar and PubGet.
> As well as supporting information seeking the Library is also a producer
> of information. This ranges from traditional web based information to
> the opening up of our bibliographic and circulation data, and
> information such as resource lists created by our academics. To ensure
> the maximum use of our collections and to enable others to develop new
> tools and services we will endeavour to release our own data, including
> circulation data, reading lists and bibliographic metadata. We will also
> aim to expose our bibliographic records through Linked Data. This will
> help us work with the wider community and allow third parties to create
> services for our users.
> High quality metadata is essential to support these services.
> 2.4 Being able to link in and draw information from other systems and
> services To enrich our services, we will draw in information from other
> respected third party services and link out to those providing
> additional information or related services."
> http://www.sussex.ac.uk/library/assets/documents/policies/2011_e-strateg
> y.pdf
>
> While the above talks about 'our' data, in this case, this is data about
> our collections, which I would treat in the same way.
>
> If this helps our users find relevant content, and make use of our
> collections, even if they aren't using the tools we'd prefer them to
> use, then it can only be a good thing.
>
> Chris
>
> Chris Keene  - Technical Development Manager, University of Sussex
> Library
> Contact: http://www.sussex.ac.uk/profiles/150000
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: An informal open list set up by UKSG - Connecting the
> Information
> > Community [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > Taylor, Sarah
> > Sent: 08 October 2013 13:00
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [lis-e-resources] ScienceDirect and Google
> >
> > I understood it to be main Google too as the message mentions the fact
> that
> > Google Scholar is already doing this.
> >
> > It's interesting to hear everyone's views on this matter.
> >
> > Sarah
> >
> >
> >
> > Sarah Taylor
> > Electronic Resources Librarian
> > The Peter Marsh Library
> > University of Bolton
> > Deane Road
> > Bolton
> > BL3 5AB
> >
> > 01204 903099
> > [log in to unmask]
> > Please note that my normal working days are Mondays, Tuesdays and
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: An informal open list set up by UKSG - Connecting the
> Information
> > Community [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Roger
> > Schonfeld
> > Sent: 08 October 2013 12:16
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [lis-e-resources] ScienceDirect and Google
> >
> > If you are correct, that could be a very important development.
> >
> > Roger
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shearer, Alison [[log in to unmask]]
> > Received: Tuesday, 08 Oct 2013, 6:49AM
> > To: [log in to unmask] [LIS-E-
> > [log in to unmask]]
> > Subject: Re: [lis-e-resources] ScienceDirect and Google
> >
> > Hi All,
> > From the message sent out, I understood it to be standard Google but I
> could
> > easily be wrong there!
> > Regards,
> > Alison
> >
> > Alison Shearer,
> > Collections Manager,
> > Library and Information Services Division, Royal Veterinary College,
> > Hawkshead Lane, North Mymms, Hatfield, Herts.,
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> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: An informal open list set up by UKSG - Connecting the
> Information
> > Community [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Roger
> > Schonfeld
> > Sent: 08 October 2013 11:35
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [lis-e-resources] ScienceDirect and Google
> >
> > Do you know whether this opportunity will apply to Google's main
> Search
> > product, to Scholar, or to other products?
> >
> > Roger
> >
> >
> > Roger C Schonfeld
> > Program Director, Ithaka S+R
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Taylor, Sarah [[log in to unmask]]
> > Received: Tuesday, 08 Oct 2013, 5:48AM
> > To: [log in to unmask] [LIS-E-
> > [log in to unmask]]
> > Subject: [lis-e-resources] ScienceDirect and Google
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> >
> > Last week, I received an e-mail informing me that our ScienceDirect
> holdings
> > will soon be searchable via Google unless I opt out. Part of thinks
> this is quite
> > a helpful feature. However, the part of me that has spent over a
> decade
> > telling people not to use Google to find academic information wants to
> say
> > "not a chance" to Elsevier.
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone else have any strong opinions on this? Has anyone opted
> out
> > and if now, are you promoting this new feature?
> >
> >
> >
> > Many thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> >
> >
> > Sarah
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sarah Taylor
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