Hi Chris,
That's certainly an interesting take on the matter (and as an aside I
love the idea of an e-strategy, so thanks for that!) and I agree with
everything you say about the ease of using Google. I think it's the
old-fashioned librarian in me who would like to steer users away from
Google and encourage exclusive use of library materials, but I am also a
realist and appreciate the way in which users understandably operate.
Best wishes,
Sarah
Sarah Taylor
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The Peter Marsh Library
University of Bolton
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Community [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris
Keene
Sent: 08 October 2013 13:23
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Subject: Re: [lis-e-resources] ScienceDirect and Google
This discussion may be of interest
http://friendfeed.com/lsw/df039dcc/google-and-elsevier-this-posted-to-li
stserv
It would appear that it involves users within your Uni/library IP range
having sciencedirect fulltext content added to the google index and so
will be searched - like everything else in the google index - when users
search Google (makes no mention of Scholar).
It is worth remembering that the Google index includes almost everything
freely available on the web, so that will already include the full text
of all OA material, and bibliographic data of all online articles. It
only doesn't already include most sciencedirect content because it is
behind a paywall. This simply brings sciencedirect content in line with
OA and other material.
As an aside, I found the discussion about not wanting to do this because
of the want to promote the advantages of library provided tools
interesting.
Certainly here, we know that many of our users like using Google and
find it easy to use, and often works quite well with discovering
academic content, and for me, can't be beaten in terms of copying an
entire reference for somewhere and quickly finding the full text (I say
this as the person running our discovery service).
Our (Sussex) e-strategy (2011) alludes to this sort of thing in a
roundabout way:
" 2.3 Ensuring our data is exposed as widely as possible We will ensure
that it is possible to access our services through third party
applications such as Google, Google Scholar and PubGet.
As well as supporting information seeking the Library is also a producer
of information. This ranges from traditional web based information to
the opening up of our bibliographic and circulation data, and
information such as resource lists created by our academics. To ensure
the maximum use of our collections and to enable others to develop new
tools and services we will endeavour to release our own data, including
circulation data, reading lists and bibliographic metadata. We will also
aim to expose our bibliographic records through Linked Data. This will
help us work with the wider community and allow third parties to create
services for our users.
High quality metadata is essential to support these services.
2.4 Being able to link in and draw information from other systems and
services To enrich our services, we will draw in information from other
respected third party services and link out to those providing
additional information or related services."
http://www.sussex.ac.uk/library/assets/documents/policies/2011_e-strateg
y.pdf
While the above talks about 'our' data, in this case, this is data about
our collections, which I would treat in the same way.
If this helps our users find relevant content, and make use of our
collections, even if they aren't using the tools we'd prefer them to
use, then it can only be a good thing.
Chris
Chris Keene - Technical Development Manager, University of Sussex
Library
Contact: http://www.sussex.ac.uk/profiles/150000
> -----Original Message-----
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> Taylor, Sarah
> Sent: 08 October 2013 13:00
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> Subject: Re: [lis-e-resources] ScienceDirect and Google
>
> I understood it to be main Google too as the message mentions the fact
that
> Google Scholar is already doing this.
>
> It's interesting to hear everyone's views on this matter.
>
> Sarah
>
>
>
> Sarah Taylor
> Electronic Resources Librarian
> The Peter Marsh Library
> University of Bolton
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> Bolton
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> Schonfeld
> Sent: 08 October 2013 12:16
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>
> If you are correct, that could be a very important development.
>
> Roger
>
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> Hi All,
> From the message sent out, I understood it to be standard Google but I
could
> easily be wrong there!
> Regards,
> Alison
>
> Alison Shearer,
> Collections Manager,
> Library and Information Services Division, Royal Veterinary College,
> Hawkshead Lane, North Mymms, Hatfield, Herts.,
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Schonfeld
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>
> Do you know whether this opportunity will apply to Google's main
Search
> product, to Scholar, or to other products?
>
> Roger
>
>
> Roger C Schonfeld
> Program Director, Ithaka S+R
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Taylor, Sarah [[log in to unmask]]
> Received: Tuesday, 08 Oct 2013, 5:48AM
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> Subject: [lis-e-resources] ScienceDirect and Google
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Last week, I received an e-mail informing me that our ScienceDirect
holdings
> will soon be searchable via Google unless I opt out. Part of thinks
this is quite
> a helpful feature. However, the part of me that has spent over a
decade
> telling people not to use Google to find academic information wants to
say
> "not a chance" to Elsevier.
>
>
>
> Does anyone else have any strong opinions on this? Has anyone opted
out
> and if now, are you promoting this new feature?
>
>
>
> Many thanks.
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
>
> Sarah
>
>
>
>
>
> Sarah Taylor
>
> Electronic Resources Librarian
>
> The Peter Marsh Library
>
> University of Bolton
>
> Deane Road
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> Bolton
>
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