Hi Matt,
On 09/02/2013 10:35 AM, Matt Doidge wrote:
> I'm interested in what Steve was proposing, as I can easily roll that
> into the
> tarballs - making them much more complete.
>
I'm still thinking of the requirements for this. Can you
elaborate on what you have alluded to in the sentence
above? (i.e. that's a polite way of saying "what exactly
do you mean by that?")
Cheers,
Steve
> Cheers,
> Matt
>
>
>
>> THanks,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 29/08/13 23:44, Martin Bly wrote:
>>> The problem with the central UI service at the Tier1 was not the UI
>>> systems in particular, since we had (and still have) them anyway - it
>>> was (would be) managing and keeping track of all the remote users.
>>> Particularly when they go dormant / disappear without telling you.
>>>
>>> Martin
>>> --
>>> Tier1 Fabric Team Leader
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Ewan MacMahon<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: 29/08/2013 15:39
>>> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: Instant UI
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Stephen Jones [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>>> Sent: 29 August 2013 15:26
>>>>
>>>> On 08/29/2013 03:05 PM, Ewan MacMahon wrote:
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes [mailto:TB-
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stephen Jones
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With the working title "Instant UI", the aim of the project is to
>>>> produce
>>>>>> a small suite of documentation and software comments that will
>>>>>> enable a
>>>>>> new user to set up a UI and join the grid with the minimum of
>>>>>> hassle.
>>>>> Much as I dislike being negative[1]; is this actually a good idea?
>>>>> If the question is how to get on the grid with minimal hassle, then
>>>>> the answer is surely not 'install a UI' - the answer is 'find someone
>>>>> with a UI and get them to give you a login'.
>>>> While that is undoubtedly easy, unfortunately I have at least one new
>>>> user who hasn't got a UI in his entire institute. I guess he could ssh
>>>> to one, which (say) we maintain for him. His line of business is "drug
>>>> discovery" in the education sector, i.e. drug site binding algorithms
>>>> etc. His students could benefit if they could demonstrate knowledge
>>>> and
>>>> use of grid computing etc. to find novel molecules. It could be an
>>>> important
>>>> area. Neasan (before he left) requested new users and uses, and we've
>>>> got
>>>> one. But now he's gone and I'm stuck - I have to offer something.
>>>>
>>> Sure, it sounds completely worth supporting, but offer him a UI; it
>>> should be considerably less time and effort for you to even create a
>>> brand new one on a VM than it would be to document and support him
>>> through creating his own. Call it a VO box, and you're done.
>>>
>>>>> While the UI may be one of the simpler grid service nodes, they're
>>>>> not trivial, they do require active maintenance (preferably by
>>>>> someone who receives EGI broadcasts), and they have a habit of
>>>>> failing
>>>>> in spectacularly odd manners if they don't get it.
>>>> Thanks; that's a new requirement for Instant UI (should it come
>>>> to fruition) - i.e. it needs maintenance procedures etc. It grows and
>>>> grows!
>>>>
>>> Like the plague.
>>>
>>>>> if we're serious about supporting 'other' VOs rather than just
>>>>> being a backend for the WLCG, then we don't need to put the effort
>>>>> into documentation, we should put it into running a central UI again.
>>>> That's certainly a route to consider. It's not a case of
>>>> "either/or" - we could have both or (as now) continue
>>>> with neither. Let's have a think - who would fund and implement
>>>> the "central UI"? It's a good idea, but that's the problem.
>>>>
>>> Well, since we're talking about requirements for GridPP5, I
>>> would suggest in outline a restoration of the Tier 1 UI service,
>>> funded out of the same 'other VOs' allocation of the money that
>>> funds stuff like the WMSes and the LFC etc. And if there isn't
>>> any money for supporting 'other VOs', then we don't support them
>>> and the need for a UI disappears.
>>>
>>> Ewan
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