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Re: Corduroy tactile warning indoors?

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Vinnie <[log in to unmask]>

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Accessibuilt list <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:08:53 +0100

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Hi!

Sounds to me like the wrong material was used.  Polishes marble while more
aesthetically pleasing in some cases is quite slippery- more so when wet.
Honed marble is less slippery and less shiny.

Marble workers might advise acid treatment or sanding- even if it is just on
the treads and not the risers it would make a difference.

V.


-----Original Message-----
From: Accessibuilt list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Steve Grisag
Sent: 15 August 2013 10:47
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Corduroy tactile warning indoors?

 Hi all

Interesting debate going on here.

I'm currently surveying a local train station that has an internal lift and
staircase combined, with no tactile warning.  The staircase is in a twisting
formation with a hollowed out central core, with a tinted glass banister,
metal handrail consisting of approximately 5 flights in all. The flooring is
a smooth marbled almost polished affect tiling that is extremely slippy when
wet.    

Permanent 'slippery when wet' signs are everywhere and 'floor slippery'
warning cones are strategically place every time it rains heavily.

Other than demolishing the entire structure, and based on others comments
below regards pros and cons of internal stair tactiles, I'm wondering what
the best advice might be in this situation/

Thanks Steve

Steven Grisag
Development Officer Inclusion and Mobility (PGCert Access and Inclusive
Design) 

Planning, Transportation and Highways 

City of Bradford Metropolitan District Council Department of Regeneration
and Culture 

Economic Development and Property / Culture and Tourism / Planning
Transportation and Highways / Climate Housing Employment and Skills
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Accessibuilt list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Lee Bywater (TASS Ltd)
Sent: 15 August 2013 10:31
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Corduroy tactile warning indoors?

Hi Vin

In the UK I agree, I was just informing this group what we are doing in
Europe, I believe this is also the same in NZ, Australia & South Africa. 

Which of us are behind the times them or us?? Just a question to start a
debate not a criticism

Lee Bywater


-----Original Message-----
From: Accessibuilt list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Vin
Sent: 15 August 2013 10:13
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Corduroy tactile warning indoors?


That would be completely inappropriate - give an entirely wrong message and
add an unnecessary hazard

Vin
from my phone

On 15 Aug 2013, at 09:56, "Lee Bywater (TASS Ltd)" <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> One thing the European market ask for rather than corduroy strips are
tactile studs, this seems to work very well and means the colour contrast
can also be met.
> 
> Regards
> Lee Bywater
> TASS Ltd
> www.tassltd.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Accessibuilt list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf 
> Of Robbie Graham
> Sent: 14 August 2013 16:05
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Corduroy tactile warning indoors?
> 
> 
> Hi Claire,
> 
> TGD M here in Ireland states" there is no guidance on hazard warning
surfaces at the head of internal stairs as there is no recognised
warning/hazard surface for internal use that can be guaranteed not to
constitute a trip hazard when used alongside flooring with different
frictional resistances.  Therefore, where possible, internal stairs should
not be directly in line with an access route.  Rationale:  Due to the
potential risk that people will not recognise the stairs in time".
> 
> "Design for access 2" makes a distinction between the two different
elements i.e  external steps should have a corduroy tactile warning surface
and internal steps should have a colour and luminance contrast. 

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