Hi all
Thanks all for you invaluable responses, its great to see the different ideas people have, some fairly similar I know. Non the less its def useful 'food for thought' for me to take on board and use as possible recommendations in my further discussions with the property owner.
Much appreciated!
Thanks Steve
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From: Accessibuilt list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brian Towers
Sent: 15 August 2013 12:01
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Subject: Re: Corduroy tactile warning indoors?
With regard to slippery stairs, I have used deck paint on my office stairs - slip resistant and very hard wearing.
With regard to warning of an approaching stair: changing the sound the floor makes can be helpful - the college building at Loughborough uses that method.
In public places a verbal warning from a sensor can help (there was one at Bristol airport). As anyone who knows me will realise, I hate any form of tactile paving or flooring (except on controlled crossings)
Brian Towers
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Sent: 15 August 2013 11:34
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Subject: Re: Corduroy tactile warning indoors?
Hi Steve,
I don't know whether an anti-slip paint would be appropriate to reduce the chance of users falling on the staircase?
I'm sure there are many products which might help eg: Seton's: Anti-Slip 100 Floor Coating: Ideal for preventing slips on ramps, steps and work platforms High performance - suitable for heavy pedestrian traffic a.. Resistant to most oils, acids, alkalis and solvents b.. Like floor paint, this coating is easily applied using a roller c.. Coverage: 3.7m2 per 3.78 litre can
I haven't tested any of these, but maybe others have?
Are the step nosings textured? They might also help, along with some matting to reduce water induced slippage like Milliken Obex - Forma at the entrances?
I'm sure there will be other solutions from the helpful people on here.
Best wishes,
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Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: Corduroy tactile warning indoors?
Hi all
Interesting debate going on here.
I'm currently surveying a local train station that has an internal lift and
staircase combined, with no tactile warning. The staircase is in a twisting
formation with a hollowed out central core, with a tinted glass banister,
metal handrail consisting of approximately 5 flights in all. The flooring is
a smooth marbled almost polished affect tiling that is extremely slippy when
wet.
Permanent 'slippery when wet' signs are everywhere and 'floor slippery'
warning cones are strategically place every time it rains heavily.
Other than demolishing the entire structure, and based on others comments
below regards pros and cons of internal stair tactiles, I'm wondering what
the best advice might be in this situation/
Thanks Steve
Steven Grisag
Development Officer Inclusion and Mobility (PGCert Access and Inclusive
Design)
Planning, Transportation and Highways
City of Bradford Metropolitan District Council
Department of Regeneration and Culture
Economic Development and Property / Culture and Tourism /
Planning Transportation and Highways / Climate Housing Employment and Skills
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Lee Bywater (TASS Ltd)
Sent: 15 August 2013 10:31
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Subject: Re: Corduroy tactile warning indoors?
Hi Vin
In the UK I agree, I was just informing this group what we are doing in
Europe, I believe this is also the same in NZ, Australia & South Africa.
Which of us are behind the times them or us?? Just a question to start a
debate not a criticism
Lee Bywater
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From: Accessibuilt list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Vin
Sent: 15 August 2013 10:13
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Subject: Re: Corduroy tactile warning indoors?
That would be completely inappropriate - give an entirely wrong message and
add an unnecessary hazard
Vin
from my phone
On 15 Aug 2013, at 09:56, "Lee Bywater (TASS Ltd)" <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> One thing the European market ask for rather than corduroy strips are
> tactile studs, this seems to work very well and means the colour contrast
> can also be met.
>
> Regards
> Lee Bywater
> TASS Ltd
> www.tassltd.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Accessibuilt list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf
> Of Robbie Graham
> Sent: 14 August 2013 16:05
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> Subject: Re: Corduroy tactile warning indoors?
>
>
> Hi Claire,
>
> TGD M here in Ireland states" there is no guidance on hazard warning
> surfaces at the head of internal stairs as there is no recognised
> warning/hazard surface for internal use that can be guaranteed not to
> constitute a trip hazard when used alongside flooring with different
> frictional resistances. Therefore, where possible, internal stairs should
> not be directly in line with an access route. Rationale: Due to the
> potential risk that people will not recognise the stairs in time".
>
> "Design for access 2" makes a distinction between the two different
> elements i.e external steps should have a corduroy tactile warning
> surface and internal steps should have a colour and luminance contrast.
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