Hi Jackie,
I'm particularly interested in the issue of OERs and MOOCs too. So far there seems to be little cross-fertilisation between the two. Or as Amber memorably put it at the Cetis Conference, "It's like MOOCs stole OER's girlfriend!" The EU OpeningupEd initiative http://www.openuped.eu/ is making positive noises but that's about it so far. What about the original constructivist MOOCs though? What, if any, is their relation with OER?
Sadly I'll have to duck out of this discussion shortly as I'm off to a conference tomorrow but lets pick this particular thread up another time.
Cheers
Lorna
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Thanks Tony, and on this point - anyone any data on how many / which Moocs actually use OERs? Or at least content licensed through CC?
I know this was raised recently on The Conversation blog http://theconversation.com/coursera-under-fire-in-moocs-licensing-row-15534 but I'm interested from the perspective of OER as the food for MOOCs.
(OK - maybe this is another thread).
Jackie
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Couldn't I set up a MOOC platform with a non-profit company (MOOCPlat Ltd, eg as a not-for-profit company limited by guarantee) and a commercial assessment company MOOCass Ltd, and then offer OERs through MOOCplat in a non-discriminatory way for free-in-exchange-for-registration, then commercially sell assessment related to the course through MOOCass?
Notwithstanding a lack of case law, I'm sure the lawyers could figure out a CC license accommodating equivalent of a double Irish with a Dutch sandwich?
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Charitable status certainly doesn't guarantee "non-commercial", however. For example, an organisation might raise a surplus through commercial trade in order to fulfil charitable purposes - Oxfam shops, perhaps?
Cheers,
Jason
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Open Educational Resources [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of Lorna Campbell
> Sent: 23 July 2013 17:08
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> Subject: Re: Use of CC NC licences within UK F/HE - can we reach consensus?
>
> Hi Tony,
>
> That's an interesting point regarding universities charitable status. Is that not
> changing though?
>
> Cheers
> Lorna
>
> On 23 Jul 2013, at 16:54, T.Coughlan wrote:
>
> Hi Nick,
> "We're still public sector of course" - but as most UK universities are charities,
> isn't there an equal argument for saying we're third sector?
>
> Charitable status and NC seem to me to be happy bedfellows. We play by the
> rules of charitable status (more or less), so why shouldn't NC be included as
> part of the package?
>
> Lorna - yes, it's a good idea to air these issues!
>
> Tony
>
>
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> From: Sheppard, Nick [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 23 July 2013 16:42
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Use of CC NC licences within UK F/HE - can we reach consensus?
>
> I think many folk in HE have a knee jerk reaction to NC and become
> apoplectic at the thought of the grubby commercial sector using our OER for
> commercial gain! (We're still public sector of course :-!)
>
> I probably shared that view myself not so long ago but would now argue for
> the lowest barrier licensing possible.
>
> I'm not sure I'm clever or politically literate enough to think through the
> implications but I've have similarly lively discussions on twitter around the
> neo-liberal agenda that has contributed to normalising CC-BY for research
> such that it can be mandated by RCUK (to much teeth gnashing of course.)
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Open Educational Resources [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> On Behalf Of Lorna Campbell
> Sent: 23 July 2013 16:29
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Use of CC NC licences within UK F/HE - can we reach consensus?
>
> Hi there,
>
> Earlier today there was a short but lively discussion on twitter about the pros,
> cons and ambiguities of using the CC NC licence in academic contexts. I'm
> sure many of your will be aware of the complex issues that this raises,
> particularly with regard to whether or not education is regarded as a
> commercial activity. If anything, these issues have become more pressing
> with the advent of commercial MOOC providers such as FutureLearn. Trying
> to define "commercial" "non-commercial" and even "education" in global
> terms is a difficult task if not impossible task, however our twitter discussion
> this morning led David Kernohan to ask if it might be possible to define what
> these terms mean within the context of our own community, i.e. UK F/HE.
> So what do you think, is there any mileage in trying to agree how and in what
> context the CC NC licence can be used appropriately within UK Higher and
> Further Education? What are the chances of us being able to reach a
> consensus? Would it be useful just to air the issues? Let us know what you
> think!
>
> Cheers
> Lorna
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