On 30/07/2013 10:37, Christopher Josiffe wrote:
That is cool
look forward to that - i'd suggest check out Randy P Conner - author
some interesting books in this area and more in the pipeline
- just noticed he has this one on academic edu -
http://www.academia.edu/4008895/That_Old_Black_Magic_Vodou_and_other_African-diasporic_Spiritual_Traditions_in_Relation_to_Ken_Wilbers_Map_of_Consciousness_a_Preliminary_Investigation
senebty
mogg morgan
> This was Interesting and synchronous for me, Mogg.
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> I'd just been writing something about theories of African / Egyptian religion and magic as partial origin for European witchcraft, thinking of what Gardner says about this in 'Witchcraft Today', also Idries Shah and Rollo Ahmed positing a medieval 'Saracen' influence via the Crusades - Classical mystery cults as an source for European witchcraft.
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> Gardner wrote that the Voodoo he observed in New Orleans appeared to be an admixture of African religion and European folklore/witchcraft...add to this the (debatable?) notion that West African religions were ultimately derived from Egypt and the plot nicely thickens!
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> Best wishes,
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> Christopher
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> ...There is abviously some sort of parallel between the african religions of Loa etc and Ancient Egyptian ideology - but the expert on that would be Randolph Conner - with whom i hope to work some more material in the future - the extent of influence of african religion on european paganism has probable been underestimated.
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> Mogg Morgan
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>> >From a friend, a well respected published author and witch
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>> I'll have to disagree that Witches are the opposite of an exorcist.
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>> Long before the advent of Christianity, "the devil" as most people know him in this day and age did not exist. He was devised as a figurehead to scare Pagans into converting to the newly found religion, Christianity. While Pagans certainly believed in the duality of Dark and Light, good and evil, the concept of one main figure, Satan, and his minions, the demons, were unheard of.
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>> Today, the great majority of witches still do not believe in the concept of the devil, so to pin them as those who cause intentional demonic possession isn't a correct assumption. We neither worship the devil, do his bidding, or consort with him. It's impossible to be in league with someone we don't believe in. A good friend of mine who is a Catholic priest and exorcist states that from his experiences, the typical victim of a possession is one who is highly religious. He also claims that true possessions are few and far between. Emotional instability and mental illness are high on the list of causes for so-called possessions. With all the paranormal television shows on the air, the public is lead to believe that there are demons around every corner, and wannabe, self-proclaimed "exorcists" are out there preaching their gospel that demons are bountiful, but that seems not to be the case in the eyes of those who are trained by the church and are hands on in dealing with cases of supposed possession.
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>> Witches are not evil crones who sit around a cauldron casting spells and calling out demons from the bowels of Hell. (As with The Devil, we also do not believe in the concept of Hell). Mine is an Earth-based religion, where "Do as ye will but harm none" is how I live my life. We revere nature, all sentient beings and above all, do no harm because we believe in Karma and the Threefold Law which states that what we put out, we receive three times back, whether good or bad. So while there may be many causes of true possession, witches are not one of them.
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>> From: "Ted Hand" <[log in to unmask]>
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>> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 8:07:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] opposite of an exorcist
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>> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Raymond Salvatore Harmon < [log in to unmask] > wrote:
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>> Hello all
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>> I have been wondering if there is a technical (theological) term for someone who causes intentional demonic possession? The opposite of an exorcist?
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>> Any insights would be appreciated.
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>> Yours
>> RSH
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