Hello Matt
Meeting the NMC standards is a challenge. It seems to me that they were
developed for HV PTs and do not recognise the difficulties faced by OHNs. An
OHN who is taking on a student for unpaid work experience is not likely to
be prepared to attend a formal training course. Furthermore, I would rather
place a student with an excellent practitioner who is a role model than with
a practitioner with less experience but who happens to hold a teaching
qualification.
In common with some other institutions we map prospective practice teachers
experience against the NMC standards, the ENB 998 could be part of that
mapping process. In my opinion most OHNs are involved in teaching whether
that is 1:1 or to groups such as induction programmes, teaching managers,
health and safety training. Etc Also senior OHNs who are managers are
involved in teaching and assessing new staff such as practice teachers.
If you would like to take one of our students I would be very grateful if
you could contact me off list.
Thanks
Anne
On 28/06/2013 13:55, "Hawkins, Matthew X" <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> Hi List,
>
> This thread has been going for a while, and I am late in looking at all
> responses.
>
> One thing that I have found, is not an unwillingness to support placements
> (with the time and effort required by all parties), but a lack of
> practitioners with 'Practice Teacher' status.
>
> I looked at applying for a Practice Teacher course, but found myself in the
> same position as OH students, in so much that I required a Practice Teacher to
> supervise my supervision and sign me off as a Practice Teacher.
>
> Anne, or any other educators - is there a way to navigate around this issue? I
> think that ENB998 or other teaching qualifications are adequate.
>
> Matt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of Heather Bearpark
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 11:20 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Practice Placement
>
> Thank you Susan for putting this so eloquently.
>
> We are a department that hosts OH student placements and alternative
> placements on a regular basis with only 2 of us in the clinical team. This is
> something that takes a high level of commitment on the part of practitioners.
>
> I am getting my tin hat on before I pose the following:
>
> The NMC code para 23 says
>
> "You must facilitate students and others to develop their competence"
>
> Food for thought?
>
> Regards
> Heather Bearpark
> (sent from my mobile)
>
>
>
> On 17 Jun 2013, at 11:07, "Susan Gorton"
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Oluranti
>
> I am not sure you appreciate that there are many students in the same boat and
> many make similar appeals on JISC. I would suggest that there may have been
> better ways to have gone about this.
>
> You have suggested that your person skills would make you a good student of OH
> and for sure there will be transferrable skills.
>
> However, what you pick up during your OH training does NOT, sadly (and Anne
> Harris will confirm this) fully prepare you for the role of the OH in terms of
> practical skills.
>
> Many of your peers have gone out of their way to get some of these skills
> before applying for the course. By doing so they can make a valuable
> contribution to any OH team to offset the resources they 'remove' from needing
> support, supervision and training in situ. Some have spent time working as an
> OHPN before going on the training.
>
> By practical skills I mean things like spirometry, audiometry, immunisation,
> and phlebotomy skills.
>
> So in a world of limited opportunity and loads of competition the best way is
> to offer more.
>
> One of the reasons that I am currently offering a maternity leave fixed term
> contract which has been geared to help someone in training or newly qualified
> (but they must be able to do 4 days per week as a minimum) is to help the OH
> trainee or newly trained to get some more experience. However immunisation and
> phlebotomy experience and skills is a core requirement in any NHS OH unit.
>
> You have a bit of time, I suggest that perhaps you contact an OH agency and
> see if you can get some work as a practise nurse if you have some of these
> skills or see about some skills training.
>
> Regards
> Sue
> Susan Gorton | OH Nurse Manager | Occupational Health Department | Great
> Ormond Street Hospital NHS Foundation Trust | Level 3, Ormond House, 26-27
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> From: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Oluranti Ajibola
> Sent: 15 June 2013 22:34
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Practice Placement
>
> Dear all,
>
> I am writing regarding below email.
>
> It seems my email regarding a placement has not been acknowledged. I would
> like to emphasise that for me to succeed in this course I must secure a
> placement before the course begins in September.
>
> I would really appreciate it if anyone will acknowledge this email and help
> me.
>
> Thanks,
> Oluranti
>
> From: Oluranti Ajibola
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> To: "[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>"
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2013 10:22 PM
> Subject: Practice Placement
>
> Hello,
> I am a trained and licensed registered nurse with 11 years of experience as a
> recovery and assessment theatre practitioner and I am currently one of the
> senior staff nurse in my department. My current role involves admitting
> patient for surgery, recover patient from anesthesia and discharge patient
> after assessing their fitness to go home.
>
> I have being given an admission at London South Bank University to study
> Occupational Health Nursing in September 2013. As part of the requirement for
> the offer, I will need to be on work placement in an Occupational health
> setting as this is mandatory for the course. I am still looking for a work
> placement but no luck so far. I want to enhance my experience and exposure to
> Occupational Health and will really appreciate it if anyone could be kind
> enough to assist.
>
> The nature of my job has prepared me for this placement because it requires
> initiative, self motivation, client's confidentiality, providing accurate and
> needed information, good communication and listening skills and other range of
> skills gained whilst working as a theatre nurse. For Occupational Health, an
> understanding that workers are a key business asset and essential to
> productivity and profitability, therefore the workers must be well at work
> both physically and mentally. Therefore, I am aware of the responsibilities
> and opportunities available to students on placement in the work place.
>
> I will be happy to discuss this further on how best I can fulfill your
> expectation if offered an opportunity for a placement? I currently reside in
> the South East part of London but I am happy to travel within any part in
> London.
>
> I will be looking forward to hearing from you.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> OLURANTI
>
>
>
>
>
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