Sorry, Tom and Roger: it was the wading through all emails!
Cheers - Zena
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From: Library and Information Professionals [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Roger Farbey
Sent: 03 June 2013 13:59
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Subject: Re: CILIP rebranding
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Zena
Thanks for this - I agree with you - however, just as a point of informatio= n when you said "I applaud Roger's call for a Meeting on this topic." I hav= e to remind everyone that it was actually Tom Roper whose idea this was. - = and a very good one it was too!
Roger
From: Library and Information Professionals [mailto:LIS-PROFESSION@JISCMAIL= .AC.UK] On Behalf Of Woodley Zena (RQ8) Mid Essex Hospital
Sent: 03 June 2013 13:48
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: CILIP rebranding
Most of the comments on this topic erupted while I was away for the weekend= .
Yes, indeed: historically, the 'information' was specifically at the behest= of those of us ex-IIS members who definitely weren't 'librarians'. And the= re was enough of a brahouha about it then, with IIS members explaining why = they'd joined that Institute, & not the LA. A quick vox pop of your workpla= ce, folks in any street, or among friends & acquaintances will bring up the= indisputable fact that Libraries Are (on the whole) A Good Thing; libraria= ns, on the other hand, are either weedy men, or be-bunned women of a certai= n age. Both utter "Ssshh" at alarmingly frequent intervals. Find me a comme= rcial birthday card, or a cartoon, which doesn't propagate this image: they= 're rarer than hen's teeth. Sorry, but I disagree that all libraries requir= e a Librarian to run them. if all this discussion is doing is flushing out= the "I'm a Librarian & proud of it" Brigade - well, good for you: but it's= only a Job Title. What you do with any post when you're in it is up to you= .
The base point here is slightly more serious: Cilip have a falling membersh= ip, and propose to rebrand. A questionnaire of staggering simplicity is iss= ued to the remaining members. Members are - rightly, IMO - distinctly Unhap= py.
The majority of 'library & information professionals' are closely associate= d with resourcing electronic information, teaching users how to access bona= fide information (rather than hope they find something OK via Google), are= well able to cope with the difficulties of IT (especially my health collea= gues, who battle on a daily basis with something called Nice that isn't), a= nd are well up to speed in their knowledge & use of social media. Many can = also create web pages, as well as being closely involved with the 'guts' of= library database systems. If there's stuff on the shelves, they can usuall= y find that pretty quickly, too. Does Cilip's advocacy mention these people= ?
Too much money wasted on re-accreditation, when no-one cares. Fees absurdly= high for what was offered (closure of the Information Unit, for heaven's s= ake! Whoever heard of any professional organisation without such a unit for= its members' benefit?). I thought they were making headway on advocacy - i= t takes time & is not an overnight event. I want to hear - and see - Cilip = EVERY single time there's a news piece on information literacy, as well as = public libraries. I want them as ubiquitous as Polly Toynbee (but more resp= ected).
While claiming that 'Cilip=3Dmembers' this is a useful device to let Groups= , etc take on more of the work while the Executive can quietly do things th= ey believe to be best. I applaud Roger's call for a Meeting on this topic. = Rebranding is both extremely costly & takes a LOT time - & oodles of public= ity - to get the 'new' product into public consciousness. If they're only b= eing quoted =A335K for this, that's very, very cheap. If the number of curr= ent members is anything to go by, Cilip haven't got the time, let alone the= budget. Is this the deeper problem?
Zena Woodley B.A.(Joint Hons), MCLIP ~ Information Resources Manager ~ The = Warner Library, Broomfield Hospital, Chelmsford CM1 7ET T: 01245 514310 e: = [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Ask an Informatio= n Expert - it's what we do. All day. Every day.
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From: Library and Information Professionals [mailto:LIS-PROFESSION@JISCMAIL= .AC.UK] On Behalf Of Sheila Thomas
Sent: 31 May 2013 10:22
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: CILIP rebranding
Jane's position regarding "Library" in the name of our professional body ap= plies to those doing the sort of work I do, also.
In my mind, librarians are a sub-set of information professionals. I unders= tand why librarians are very keen to keep the L-word in the name of the pro= fessional body, and feel that, while it has its difficulties, "CILIP" fits = the bill as well as, if not better than, anything new one might come up wit= h.
Having lived through the LA-IIS merger, I have a strong sense of deja vu he= re. I must be getting old ...
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TWI Ltd, Granta Park, CB21 6AL, UK
www.weldasearch.com<http://www.weldasearch.com>
From: Library and Information Professionals [mailto:LIS-PROFESSION@JISCMAIL= =3D .AC.UK] On Behalf Of Jane Smith
Sent: 31 May 2013 08:52
To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: CILIP rebranding
Hi
Well Libraries could be considered a sub-set of information resources, the = =3D library is just a means to obtaining it. So why sideline Information in= the=3D Professional body name?
Personally, I do not see Information Professionals as being a sub-set of Li= =3D brarians, but as different groups working in the same field, and theref= ore =3D should both be represented in the name of our joint professional bo= dy, as t=3D hey are now. You would not call a Nurse, a Firefighter, yet bot= h are part o=3D f the Emergency services profession.
I do not have a Library Degree, I do not work in a Library (well ok I curre= =3D ntly work in an office off a Library, and am in the same department, bu= t th=3D at is more due to available office space), so why should I have to = explain =3D to the average Joe, that my professional organisation is more o= bviously for=3D another profession? And when the inevitably reply oh you a= re a Librarian, =3D and then have to explain that I am not.
Regards
Jane H Smith
Centre for Research Communications, University of Nottingham
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Zena</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Thanks for this = 211; I agree with you – however, just as a point of information when = you said “I applaud Roger's call for a Meeting on this topic.” = I have to remind everyone that it was actually Tom Roper whose idea this was. – and a very good one it was too!</span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Roger</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C= alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"> </span></p> <div> <div style=3D"border:none; border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt; padding:3.0pt 0c= m 0cm 0cm"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; f= ont-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span=
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Tahoma",&= quot;sans-serif""> Library and Information Professionals [mailto:LIS-P= [log in to unmask]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Woodley Zena (RQ8) Mid Essex Hospital<br> <b>Sent:</b> 03 June 2013 13:48<br> <b>To:</b> [log in to unmask]<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: CILIP rebranding</span></p> </div> </div> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Most of the comments on this topic = ;erupted while I was away for the weekend.</span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Yes, indeed: historically, the 'informa= tion' was specifically at the behest of those of us ex-IIS members who defi= nitely weren't 'librarians'. And there was enough of a brahouha about it th= en, with IIS members explaining why they'd joined that Institute, & not the LA. A quick vox pop of your wo= rkplace, folks in any street, or among friends & acquaintances will bri= ng up the indisputable fact that Libraries Are (on the whole) A Good Thing;= librarians, on the other hand, are either weedy men, or be-bunned women of a certain age. Both utter "Ssshh&quo= t; at alarmingly frequent intervals. Find me a commercial birthday card, or= a cartoon, which doesn't propagate this image: they're rarer than hen's te= eth. Sorry, but I disagree that all libraries require a Librarian to run them. if all this discussion is doing is = flushing out the "I'm a Librarian & proud of it" Brigade - we= ll, good for you: but it's only a Job Title. What you do with any post= when you're in it is up to you.
</span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">The base point here is slightly more se=
rious: Cilip have a falling membership, and propose to rebrand. A questionn= aire of staggering simplicity is issued to the remaining members. Members a= re - rightly, IMO - distinctly Unhappy.</span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">The majority of 'library & informat= ion professionals' are closely associated with resourcing electronic inform= ation, teaching users how to access bona fide information (rather than hope= they find something OK via Google), are well able to cope with the difficulties of IT (especially my health collea= gues, who battle on a daily basis with something called Nice that isn't), a= nd are well up to speed in their knowledge & use of social media. Many = can also create web pages, as well as being closely involved with the 'guts' of library database systems. If the= re's stuff on the shelves, they can usually find that pretty quickly, too. = Does Cilip's advocacy mention these people?</span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Too much money wasted on re-accreditati= on, when no-one cares. Fees absurdly high for what was offered (closur= e of the Information Unit, for heaven's sake! Whoever heard of any professi= onal organisation without such a unit for its members' benefit?). I thought they were making headway on advocacy - i= t takes time & is not an overnight event. I want to hear - and see - Ci= lip EVERY single time there's a news piece on information literacy, as well= as public libraries. I want them as ubiquitous as Polly Toynbee (but more respected). </span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">While claiming that 'Cilip=3Dmembers' t= his is a useful device to let Groups, etc take on more of the work while th= e Executive can quietly do things they believe to be best. I applaud Roger'= s call for a Meeting on this topic.
Rebranding is both extremely costly & takes a LOT time - & oodles = of publicity - to get the 'new' product into public consciousness. If they'= re only being quoted =A335K for this, that's very, very cheap. If the numbe= r of current members is anything to go by, Cilip haven't got the time, let alone the budget. Is this the deeper probl= em?</span></p> <p><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Gill Sans MT",&q= uot;sans-serif"; color:maroon">Zena Woodley B.A.(Joint Hons), MCLIP ~ = Information Resources Manager ~ The Warner Library, Broomfield Hospital, Ch= elmsford CM1 7ET T: 01245 514310</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Gill Sans MT"= ;,"sans-serif"; color:maroon">e:
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</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Gill Sans MT"= ;,"sans-serif"; color:navy">Ask an Information Expert - it's what= we do. All day. Every day.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt"></span><=
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Sent: 31 May 2013 10:22<br>
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Subject: Re: CILIP rebranding<br>
Jane's position regarding "Library" in the name of our profession= al body applies to those doing the sort of work I do, also.<br> In my mind, librarians are a sub-set of information professionals. I unders= tand why librarians are very keen to keep the L-word in the name of the pro= fessional body, and feel that, while it has its difficulties, "CILIP&q= uot; fits the bill as well as, if not better than, anything new one might come up with.<br> Having lived through the LA-IIS merger, I have a strong sense of deja vu he= re. I must be getting old ...<br> --<br> Sheila Thomas BA MCLIP MWeldI MBCS<br> Weldasearch Manager<br> TWI Ltd, Granta Park, CB21 6AL, UK<br> <a href=3D"http://www.weldasearch.com">www.weldasearch.com</a><br>
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From: Library and Information Professionals [<a href=3D"mailto:LIS-PROFESSI= ON@JISCMAIL=3D">mailto:LIS-PROFESSION@JISCMAIL=3D</a> .AC.UK] On Behalf Of = Jane Smith<br>
Sent: 31 May 2013 08:52<br>
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Subject: Re: CILIP rebranding<br>
<br>
Hi<br>
Well Libraries could be considered a sub-set of information resources, the = =3D library is just a means to obtaining it. So why sideline Information in= the=3D Professional body name?<br> Personally, I do not see Information Professionals as being a sub-set of Li= =3D brarians, but as different groups working in the same field, and theref= ore =3D should both be represented in the name of our joint professional bo= dy, as t=3D hey are now. You would not call a Nurse, a Firefighter, yet both are part o=3D f the Emergency servic= es profession.<br> <br> I do not have a Library Degree, I do not work in a Library (well ok I curre= =3D ntly work in an office off a Library, and am in the same department, bu= t th=3D at is more due to available office space), so why should I have to = explain =3D to the average Joe, that my professional organisation is more obviously for=3D another professio= n? And when the inevitably reply oh you are a Librarian, =3D and then have = to explain that I am not.<br> Regards<br> <br> Jane H Smith<br> Centre for Research Communications, University of Nottingham</span></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
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