One the of the main issues with CIDOC-CRM is the lack of simple. but 
real, examples of its use. The theoretical documentation on its own is 
only really helpful for specialists.

Once there is a growing number of simple examples the community "could" 
begin to agree on how it is used, or more likely how different 
requirements are expressed. These simple then, peer reviewed, examples 
could be the basis of further use.

A museum object
An artist
A location
A simple event
Dates
examples materials

And then how these things interrelate in an actual practical real 
working process way. Not just theoretical examples, but actual 
implemented examples showing how it is really used.

I am not sure the best forum to present and discuss these types of 
examples though.  The BM should be presenting their work soon, but again 
this may end up being too complicated to start to include others.

Where do people think this type of presentation and collaborative peer 
review process should and practically could appear ?

And for the record I do use the CIDOC-CRM and similar event driven 
ontologies for internal National Gallery research applications, but we 
do not have a full public API at this time.

Joe


On 03/04/13 13:59, Mia wrote:
> On 2 April 2013 15:40, Nick Poole <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> In so doing, again theoretically, the distinction between 'internal'
>> applications and 'external' ones becomes arbitrary. If the modelling and
>> contextualisation of the data in terms of entities and relations is
>> sufficient and if vocabularies are available as services rather than term
>> lists, then it ought to be possible to derive your internal usage and your
>> external usage from the same body of information.
>>
> I suppose this is where things fall down slightly for me - I've found it
> difficult to reliably and accurately match terms across collections without
> some specialist knowledge of the collections and their documentation
> history. Publishing collections records from the Science Museum Group
> taught me that preparing data (as in catalogue field, not descriptions) for
> use externally can take as much thought and care as any other
> audience-focussed publication process. There's an awful lot of tacit
> knowledge contained in collections records that isn't obvious in
> machine-processable documentation, which is I suspect one reason for
> under-use of machine-readable GLAM data*.
>
> And out of curiosity, how many museums, libraries, archives etc are already
> using CIDOC-CRM for some or all of their collections?  Are we anywhere near
> a critical mass of content or experience with CRM or is everyone crying off
> with a headache?  And what internal uses are people making of their own
> collections data - who's drinking their own champagne? Drop me a line
> off-list if you don't want to reply-all.
>
> On 3 April 2013 13:17, Richard Light <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> The criteria should be that the information resources we want to work with
>> (a) have a persistent unique identity, (b) are reliably accessible through
>> the web and (c) are machine-processible.
>
> And (d) use shared vocabulary services rather than local term lists
> whenever possible?
>
> Making more of existing resources is hugely important so I'm really glad to
> see this discussion happening and (popping my 'MCG Chair' hat on for a
> minute), let me know if there's anything we can do to help continue
> discussions at events or online.
>
> Cheers, Mia
>
> * If you're interested in that, an article I wrote on 'Where next for open
> cultural data in museums?' went live on Museum-iD magazine ‏yesterday
> http://www.museum-id.com/idea-detail.asp?id=387
>
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