Absolutely, Andrew. I did one in 4 or 5 parts on Beethoven's 7th (I think--
one of them there symphonies). Didn't say much about it except that
I liked it, though. . . .
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Burke
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:07 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Anyone know the dates of poems by Auden, Williams and Ashbery?
- and poems about other people's music, too, Bob.
Andrew
On 27 March 2013 10:53, bob grumman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Thanks, Mark. Probably won't dent my entry but will maybe help get
> me eventually to a serious piece on ekphrastic poetry, which I'm
> thinking a lot about now because I now realize how many of my own
> poems are ekphrastic, if you count poems about other people's poems
> as ekphrastic, and I think you should.
>
>
> --Bob
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weiss
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 7:13 PM
>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Anyone know the dates of poems by Auden, Williams and
> Ashbery?
>
> There was also a tradition of advice to the painter poems in the late 17th
> century in England. Marvell wrote two.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: bob grumman <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Mar 25, 2013 7:03 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Anyone know the dates of poems by Auden, Williams and
>> Ashbery?
>>
>> Hmm, interesting combo I never thought about, Mark . . .
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weiss
>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 6:07 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Anyone know the dates of poems by Auden, Williams and
>> Ashbery?
>>
>> Nonetheless.
>>
>> Check out the connection/contrast of Watteau's great Voyage de Cythere
>> and
>> Baudelaire's Voyage a Cythere.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>>> From: bob grumman <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Mar 25, 2013 6:03 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: Anyone know the dates of poems by Auden, Williams and
>>> Ashbery?
>>>
>>> Now I'm worried. My entry is not going to be much more
>>> than self-centered discussion of my own ekphrastic poems,
>>> and there are a lot of them. I'll just occasionally mention others,
>>> Auden, Williams and Ashbery because I my impression is that they
>>> were the ones who have most made them fashionable in
>>> anglophonic poetry. But I hope you'll all visit my entry and
>>> get something out of it.
>>>
>>> --Bob
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weiss
>>> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 5:53 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: Anyone know the dates of poems by Auden, Williams and
>>> Ashbery?
>>>
>>> Me too.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>>> From: Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: Mar 25, 2013 10:50 AM
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: Anyone know the dates of poems by Auden, Williams and
>>>> Ashbery?
>>>>
>>>> And as far as that goes, here's a lot of ekphrasis in David Jones.
>>>>
>>>> Jenna Butler & I had a bit of a discussion about this recently at
>>>> canadian
>>>> poetries:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.canadianpoetries.**com/conversations/**barbourbutler<http://www.canadianpoetries.com/conversations/barbourbutler>
>>>>
>>>> So, I too will be interested, Bob.
>>>>
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> On 2013-03-23, at 5:29 PM, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It was a matter of distribution - I certainly knew about a lot of the
>>>>> figures of the British avant by 1974 - Roy Fisher, Bob Cobbing,
>>>>> Raworth,
>>>>> Bunting, MacSweeney, WS Graham (I can remember a recording of David
>>>>> Jones
>>>>> being broadcast while he was still alive - though by then in a nursing
>>>>> home) though I never heard anything about Prynne and the Cambridge
>>>>> crowd
>>>>> then. But not Ashbery and the New York poets (Beats, yes,
>>>>> confessionals,
>>>>> yes, Bly and Wright, yes)
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23 March 2013 23:20, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> That's ok, Sheila. I remember that time very, very distinctly. Though
>>>>>> Ashbery's poems were then unknown to me. And for Bob: the Auden was
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> about December 1938, shortly before Auden left for the USA. The
>>>>>> Wiiliams
>>>>>> poem first appeared in the Hudson review in 1960.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> db
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23 March 2013 20:02, Sheila Murphy <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember the poetry issue - but misrecall just exactly when (I
>>>>>>> remember
>>>>>>> where I was, though) :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And then the book!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks DB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 12:19 PM, David Bircumshaw <
>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Ashbery piece was first published in the August 1974 issue of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Poetry'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and written sometime 73/74. It always makes me feel a kind of
>>>>>>>> Vietnam
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> over but Nixon still in power sensation so I suspect more 73 than
>>>>>>>> 74.
>>>>>>>> As
>>>>>>>> for telling 'them' about ekphrastic poetry, please consider the
>>>>>>>> consequences of its further propagation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> db
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 23 March 2013 17:29, bob grumman <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Sheila, but
>>>>>>>>> you're WAY too late!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Robbot
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Murphy
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:58 PM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Anyone know the dates of poems by Auden, Williams and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ashbery?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Self Portrait ought to be about 1975 or 6.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 9:56 AM, bob grumman <
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just read the Middleton piece--good reading. I only mention the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> poems
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in my piece, don't discuss them, so didn't need more data--but glad
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sent me to Middleton!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> all best, Bob
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Hondros
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:15 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Anyone know the dates of poems by Auden, Williams
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> Ashbery?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Bob,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'Musée des Beaux Arts' was published in 1938, although the
>>>>>>>>>> collection
>>>>>>>>>> escapes me. 'Landscape with the Fall of Icarus' was in *Pictures
>>>>>>>>>> From
>>>>>>>>>> Brueghel*, 1962. Not sure about Self-Portrait, but Ashbery is on
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 'must
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> know everything about' list.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You may also find this relevant, a post that was on the
>>>>>>>>>> *Southerly*
>>>>>>>>>> website
>>>>>>>>>> by Australian poet Kate Middleton:
>>>>>>>>>> http://southerlyjournal.com.******au/2012/03/30/icarus-**
>>>>>>>>>> downstage-right-writing-art/<**h**ttp://southerlyjournal.com.**
>>>>>>>>>> au/** <http://southerlyjournal.com.au/**>
>>>>>>>>>> 2012/03/30/icarus-downstage-****right-writing-art/<
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://southerlyjournal.com.**au/2012/03/30/icarus-**
>>>>>>> downstage-right-writing-art/<http://southerlyjournal.com.au/2012/03/30/icarus-downstage-right-writing-art/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Happy ekphrasis!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 23/03/2013, at 11:55 PM, bob grumman <[log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The poems are the two by Auden and Williams about the fall of
>>>>>>>>>> Icarus
>>>>>>>>>> and Ashbery's "Self-Portrait in a Convex Mirror." I'm writing
>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>> ekphrastic poetry for my next Scientific American blog entry.
>>>>>>>>>> I’ve
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> searching the net for a while but no dates are showing up.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thanks for any help, Bob
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Chris Jones
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 4:23 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: topology math
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> this on topology and one dimensional topology and also which
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> explains
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> how one dimension can appear as 3 dimensions may be useful to
>>>>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/******Topology<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Topology>
>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Topology<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Topology>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.**org/**wiki/Topology<
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Topology<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topology>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/******pmc/articles/PMC1077109/?**
>>>>>>> page=****1#fn1<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/****pmc/articles/PMC1077109/?page=****1#fn1>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/****pmc/articles/PMC1077109/?**
>>>>>>>> page=**1#fn1<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/**pmc/articles/PMC1077109/?page=**1#fn1>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.**nih.**gov/pmc/articles/**PMC1077109/**
>>>>>>>>>> ?page=1#fn1<http://nih.gov/pmc/articles/**PMC1077109/?page=1#fn1>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/**pmc/articles/PMC1077109/?page=**1#fn1<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1077109/?page=1#fn1>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and breaking classical law...
>>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/******Smooth_infinitesimal_**
>>>>>>>>>> analysis<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Smooth_infinitesimal_analysis>
>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Smooth_infinitesimal_analysis<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Smooth_infinitesimal_analysis>
>>>>>>>> **>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **<http://en.wikipedia.org/**wiki/**Smooth_infinitesimal_**
>>>>>>>>>> analysis<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Smooth_infinitesimal_analysis>
>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Smooth_infinitesimal_analysis<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smooth_infinitesimal_analysis>
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> BLOG
>>>>>>>>>> http://abdevpoetics.blogspot.******com.au/<http://**abdevpoetics.<http://abdevpoetics.>
>>>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>>>> blogspot.com.au/
>>>>>>>>>> <http://abdevpoetics.blogspot.**com.au/<http://abdevpoetics.blogspot.com.au/>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> David Joseph Bircumshaw
>>>>>>>> **
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>>>>>>>> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> David Joseph Bircumshaw
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **
>>>>>> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>>>>>> http://www.staplednapkin.org.**uk <http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk>
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>>>>>> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> David Joseph Bircumshaw
>>>>> **
>>>>> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>>>>> http://www.staplednapkin.org.**uk <http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk>
>>>>> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.**
>>>>> uk/books/animal.html<http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html>
>>>>> Facebook:
>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/david.**bircumshaw<http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw>
>>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave
>>>>> blog:
>>>>> http://groggydays.blogspot.**com/<http://groggydays.blogspot.com/>
>>>>> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
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