There was also a tradition of advice to the painter poems in the late 17th century in England. Marvell wrote two.
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>From: bob grumman <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Mar 25, 2013 7:03 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Anyone know the dates of poems by Auden, Williams and Ashbery?
>
>Hmm, interesting combo I never thought about, Mark . . .
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Weiss
>Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 6:07 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Anyone know the dates of poems by Auden, Williams and Ashbery?
>
>Nonetheless.
>
>Check out the connection/contrast of Watteau's great Voyage de Cythere and
>Baudelaire's Voyage a Cythere.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: bob grumman <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Mar 25, 2013 6:03 PM
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: Anyone know the dates of poems by Auden, Williams and Ashbery?
>>
>>Now I'm worried. My entry is not going to be much more
>>than self-centered discussion of my own ekphrastic poems,
>>and there are a lot of them. I'll just occasionally mention others,
>>Auden, Williams and Ashbery because I my impression is that they
>>were the ones who have most made them fashionable in
>>anglophonic poetry. But I hope you'll all visit my entry and
>>get something out of it.
>>
>>--Bob
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Mark Weiss
>>Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 5:53 PM
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: Anyone know the dates of poems by Auden, Williams and Ashbery?
>>
>>Me too.
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Sent: Mar 25, 2013 10:50 AM
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: Re: Anyone know the dates of poems by Auden, Williams and
>>>Ashbery?
>>>
>>>And as far as that goes, here's a lot of ekphrasis in David Jones.
>>>
>>>Jenna Butler & I had a bit of a discussion about this recently at canadian
>>>poetries:
>>>
>>>http://www.canadianpoetries.com/conversations/barbourbutler
>>>
>>>So, I too will be interested, Bob.
>>>
>>>Doug
>>>
>>>On 2013-03-23, at 5:29 PM, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> It was a matter of distribution - I certainly knew about a lot of the
>>>> figures of the British avant by 1974 - Roy Fisher, Bob Cobbing, Raworth,
>>>> Bunting, MacSweeney, WS Graham (I can remember a recording of David
>>>> Jones
>>>> being broadcast while he was still alive - though by then in a nursing
>>>> home) though I never heard anything about Prynne and the Cambridge crowd
>>>> then. But not Ashbery and the New York poets (Beats, yes, confessionals,
>>>> yes, Bly and Wright, yes)
>>>>
>>>> On 23 March 2013 23:20, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's ok, Sheila. I remember that time very, very distinctly. Though
>>>>> Ashbery's poems were then unknown to me. And for Bob: the Auden was
>>>>> from
>>>>> about December 1938, shortly before Auden left for the USA. The
>>>>> Wiiliams
>>>>> poem first appeared in the Hudson review in 1960.
>>>>>
>>>>> db
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23 March 2013 20:02, Sheila Murphy <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember the poetry issue - but misrecall just exactly when (I
>>>>>> remember
>>>>>> where I was, though) :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And then the book!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks DB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 12:19 PM, David Bircumshaw <
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Ashbery piece was first published in the August 1974 issue of
>>>>>> 'Poetry'
>>>>>>> and written sometime 73/74. It always makes me feel a kind of Vietnam
>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> over but Nixon still in power sensation so I suspect more 73 than 74.
>>>>>>> As
>>>>>>> for telling 'them' about ekphrastic poetry, please consider the
>>>>>>> consequences of its further propagation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> best
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> db
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23 March 2013 17:29, bob grumman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Sheila, but
>>>>>>>> you're WAY too late!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Robbot
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Murphy
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:58 PM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Anyone know the dates of poems by Auden, Williams and
>>>>>>> Ashbery?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Self Portrait ought to be about 1975 or 6.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 9:56 AM, bob grumman <
>>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just read the Middleton piece--good reading. I only mention the
>>>>>> poems
>>>>>>>>> in my piece, don't discuss them, so didn't need more data--but glad
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> sent me to Middleton!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> all best, Bob
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Hondros
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:15 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Anyone know the dates of poems by Auden, Williams and
>>>>>>>>> Ashbery?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Bob,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 'Musée des Beaux Arts' was published in 1938, although the
>>>>>>>>> collection
>>>>>>>>> escapes me. 'Landscape with the Fall of Icarus' was in *Pictures
>>>>>>>>> From
>>>>>>>>> Brueghel*, 1962. Not sure about Self-Portrait, but Ashbery is on my
>>>>>>> 'must
>>>>>>>>> know everything about' list.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You may also find this relevant, a post that was on the *Southerly*
>>>>>>>>> website
>>>>>>>>> by Australian poet Kate Middleton:
>>>>>>>>> http://southerlyjournal.com.****au/2012/03/30/icarus-**
>>>>>>>>> downstage-right-writing-art/<h**ttp://southerlyjournal.com.au/**
>>>>>>>>> 2012/03/30/icarus-downstage-**right-writing-art/<
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://southerlyjournal.com.au/2012/03/30/icarus-downstage-right-writing-art/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Happy ekphrasis!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 23/03/2013, at 11:55 PM, bob grumman <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The poems are the two by Auden and Williams about the fall of
>>>>>>>>> Icarus
>>>>>>>>> and Ashbery's "Self-Portrait in a Convex Mirror." I'm writing
>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>> ekphrastic poetry for my next Scientific American blog entry. I’ve
>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>> searching the net for a while but no dates are showing up.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thanks for any help, Bob
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Chris Jones
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 4:23 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>>> Subject: topology math
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> this on topology and one dimensional topology and also which
>>>>>> explains
>>>>>>>>> how one dimension can appear as 3 dimensions may be useful to
>>>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Topology<
>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Topology>
>>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.**org/wiki/Topology<
>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topology>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/****pmc/articles/PMC1077109/?page=****1#fn1
>>>>>>> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/**pmc/articles/PMC1077109/?page=**1#fn1>
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.**nih.gov/pmc/articles/**PMC1077109/?page=1#fn1
>>>>>> <
>>>>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1077109/?page=1#fn1>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and breaking classical law...
>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Smooth_infinitesimal_analysis<
>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Smooth_infinitesimal_analysis>
>>>>>>>>> **<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Smooth_infinitesimal_analysis<
>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smooth_infinitesimal_analysis>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> BLOG
>>>>>>>>> http://abdevpoetics.blogspot.****com.au/<http://abdevpoetics.**
>>>>>>>>> blogspot.com.au/ <http://abdevpoetics.blogspot.com.au/>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> David Joseph Bircumshaw
>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>>>>>>> http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk
>>>>>>> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>>>>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw
>>>>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave
>>>>>>> blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> David Joseph Bircumshaw
>>>>>
>>>>> **
>>>>> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>>>>> http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk
>>>>> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw
>>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave
>>>>> blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/
>>>>> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> David Joseph Bircumshaw
>>>> **
>>>> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>>>> http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk
>>>> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw
>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave
>>>> blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/
>>>> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>Douglas Barbour
>>>[log in to unmask]
>>>
>>>http://www.ualberta.ca/~dbarbour/
>>>http://eclecticruckus.wordpress.com/
>>>
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>>>(Rubicon Press)
>>>
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