Hmm, interesting combo I never thought about, Mark . . .
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From: Mark Weiss
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 6:07 PM
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Subject: Re: Anyone know the dates of poems by Auden, Williams and Ashbery?
Nonetheless.
Check out the connection/contrast of Watteau's great Voyage de Cythere and
Baudelaire's Voyage a Cythere.
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>From: bob grumman <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Mar 25, 2013 6:03 PM
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>Subject: Re: Anyone know the dates of poems by Auden, Williams and Ashbery?
>
>Now I'm worried. My entry is not going to be much more
>than self-centered discussion of my own ekphrastic poems,
>and there are a lot of them. I'll just occasionally mention others,
>Auden, Williams and Ashbery because I my impression is that they
>were the ones who have most made them fashionable in
>anglophonic poetry. But I hope you'll all visit my entry and
>get something out of it.
>
>--Bob
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Weiss
>Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 5:53 PM
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>Subject: Re: Anyone know the dates of poems by Auden, Williams and Ashbery?
>
>Me too.
>
>
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>>From: Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Mar 25, 2013 10:50 AM
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: Anyone know the dates of poems by Auden, Williams and
>>Ashbery?
>>
>>And as far as that goes, here's a lot of ekphrasis in David Jones.
>>
>>Jenna Butler & I had a bit of a discussion about this recently at canadian
>>poetries:
>>
>>http://www.canadianpoetries.com/conversations/barbourbutler
>>
>>So, I too will be interested, Bob.
>>
>>Doug
>>
>>On 2013-03-23, at 5:29 PM, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> It was a matter of distribution - I certainly knew about a lot of the
>>> figures of the British avant by 1974 - Roy Fisher, Bob Cobbing, Raworth,
>>> Bunting, MacSweeney, WS Graham (I can remember a recording of David
>>> Jones
>>> being broadcast while he was still alive - though by then in a nursing
>>> home) though I never heard anything about Prynne and the Cambridge crowd
>>> then. But not Ashbery and the New York poets (Beats, yes, confessionals,
>>> yes, Bly and Wright, yes)
>>>
>>> On 23 March 2013 23:20, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's ok, Sheila. I remember that time very, very distinctly. Though
>>>> Ashbery's poems were then unknown to me. And for Bob: the Auden was
>>>> from
>>>> about December 1938, shortly before Auden left for the USA. The
>>>> Wiiliams
>>>> poem first appeared in the Hudson review in 1960.
>>>>
>>>> db
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 23 March 2013 20:02, Sheila Murphy <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I remember the poetry issue - but misrecall just exactly when (I
>>>>> remember
>>>>> where I was, though) :)
>>>>>
>>>>> And then the book!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks DB
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 12:19 PM, David Bircumshaw <
>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Ashbery piece was first published in the August 1974 issue of
>>>>> 'Poetry'
>>>>>> and written sometime 73/74. It always makes me feel a kind of Vietnam
>>>>> just
>>>>>> over but Nixon still in power sensation so I suspect more 73 than 74.
>>>>>> As
>>>>>> for telling 'them' about ekphrastic poetry, please consider the
>>>>>> consequences of its further propagation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> best
>>>>>>
>>>>>> db
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23 March 2013 17:29, bob grumman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, Sheila, but
>>>>>>> you're WAY too late!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Robbot
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Murphy
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:58 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Anyone know the dates of poems by Auden, Williams and
>>>>>> Ashbery?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Self Portrait ought to be about 1975 or 6.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 9:56 AM, bob grumman <
>>>>> [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>> **
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just read the Middleton piece--good reading. I only mention the
>>>>> poems
>>>>>>>> in my piece, don't discuss them, so didn't need more data--but glad
>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> sent me to Middleton!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> all best, Bob
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Hondros
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:15 PM
>>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Anyone know the dates of poems by Auden, Williams and
>>>>>>>> Ashbery?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Bob,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Musée des Beaux Arts' was published in 1938, although the
>>>>>>>> collection
>>>>>>>> escapes me. 'Landscape with the Fall of Icarus' was in *Pictures
>>>>>>>> From
>>>>>>>> Brueghel*, 1962. Not sure about Self-Portrait, but Ashbery is on my
>>>>>> 'must
>>>>>>>> know everything about' list.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You may also find this relevant, a post that was on the *Southerly*
>>>>>>>> website
>>>>>>>> by Australian poet Kate Middleton:
>>>>>>>> http://southerlyjournal.com.****au/2012/03/30/icarus-**
>>>>>>>> downstage-right-writing-art/<h**ttp://southerlyjournal.com.au/**
>>>>>>>> 2012/03/30/icarus-downstage-**right-writing-art/<
>>>>>>
>>>>> http://southerlyjournal.com.au/2012/03/30/icarus-downstage-right-writing-art/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Happy ekphrasis!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 23/03/2013, at 11:55 PM, bob grumman <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The poems are the two by Auden and Williams about the fall of
>>>>>>>> Icarus
>>>>>>>> and Ashbery's "Self-Portrait in a Convex Mirror." I'm writing
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> ekphrastic poetry for my next Scientific American blog entry. I’ve
>>>>> been
>>>>>>>> searching the net for a while but no dates are showing up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks for any help, Bob
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Chris Jones
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 4:23 AM
>>>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>>>> Subject: topology math
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> this on topology and one dimensional topology and also which
>>>>> explains
>>>>>>>> how one dimension can appear as 3 dimensions may be useful to
>>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Topology<
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Topology>
>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.**org/wiki/Topology<
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topology>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/****pmc/articles/PMC1077109/?page=****1#fn1
>>>>>> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/**pmc/articles/PMC1077109/?page=**1#fn1>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.ncbi.nlm.**nih.gov/pmc/articles/**PMC1077109/?page=1#fn1
>>>>> <
>>>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1077109/?page=1#fn1>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and breaking classical law...
>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Smooth_infinitesimal_analysis<
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Smooth_infinitesimal_analysis>
>>>>>>>> **<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Smooth_infinitesimal_analysis<
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smooth_infinitesimal_analysis>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> BLOG
>>>>>>>> http://abdevpoetics.blogspot.****com.au/<http://abdevpoetics.**
>>>>>>>> blogspot.com.au/ <http://abdevpoetics.blogspot.com.au/>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> David Joseph Bircumshaw
>>>>>> **
>>>>>> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>>>>>> http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk
>>>>>> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>>>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw
>>>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave
>>>>>> blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> David Joseph Bircumshaw
>>>>
>>>> **
>>>> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>>>> http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk
>>>> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw
>>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave
>>>> blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/
>>>> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Joseph Bircumshaw
>>> **
>>> Website and A Chide's Alphabet
>>> http://www.staplednapkin.org.uk
>>> The Animal Subsides http://www.arrowheadpress.co.uk/books/animal.html
>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/david.bircumshaw
>>> twitter: http://twitter.com/bucketshave
>>> blog: http://groggydays.blogspot.com/
>>> Leicester Poetry Society: http://www.poetryleicester.com
>>>
>>
>>Douglas Barbour
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