Ta for that.
I think it's at a tangent to what I was saying.
I'll try to find the lecture. Ta.
L
----- Original Message -----
From: "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics"
To:
Cc:
Sent:Thu, 7 Feb 2013 22:16:34 +1100
Subject:Re: snap
A lovely definition of the difference bewteen prose and poetry is: in
poetry the poet sets the line lengths; in prose, the typesetter sets
the
line. Simple. In my teaching days, I used to project May Swenson's
'Difference between Poetry and other Forms of Writing' (title by
memory
which isn't too sharp these days). It was in a Voice of America
Lecture,
printed in an anthology. Probably in the mid Sixties.
I have just found it. It is on page 198 of 'Contemporary American
Poetry -
Voice of America Forum Lectures' edited by Howard Nemerov, published
by
VOA, and also includes Berryman, Moore, Eberhart, Jack Gilbert,
Duncan. I
can't find an ISBN number or a date of publication. There is a
library
stamp which says 1967. I bought it way back when for $2. Bargain.
Sorry - Have to go now.
Andrew
On 7 February 2013 19:03, Lawrence Upton wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Jill
>
> L
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics"
> To:
> Cc:
> Sent:Thu, 7 Feb 2013 11:16:27 +1030
> Subject:Re: snap
>
> Great piece, and I did not mind the line breaks, from the first
line,
> first few lines, particularly. Did not mind them at all.
>
> J
>
> On 06/02/2013, at 8:39 PM, Lawrence Upton wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I'd say why not? Well, I have said it now; but I don't mean it to
> > sound rude or aggressive. Genuine question, but could sound
> > dismissive.
> >
> > Of course line breaks have to work. Just breaking lines does not
a
> > poem make.
> >
> > Yet I don't think I have done my best with these line breaks. It
> *is
> > prosy writing, more so than much of mine -- that's working with
my
> > friend Richard, I think; -- and nowt wrong with that, says you.
> (For
> > some reason I have a desire to speak like Long John Silver.) And
I
> > could have done more with the breaks in terms of meaning and
> utterance
> > not just chopping it into lengths
> >
> > maybe breaking after "turned" and after "her", for instance.
That's
> > off the top of my head from memory of what went through my mind
and
> > was allowed to wander off
> >
> > In truth, I rushed my writing on this a bit Too many unavoidable
> > non-poetry things pushing in on my attention. So I'm grateful for
> your
> > comment; I'll look at it again I think it's worth a bit more
> effort.
> >
> > Glad you like it. I have a related one about ducks that you may
get
> > next week; but this one has more in it -- and I've been thrashing
> > around a bit of late in terms of what I have posted here --
again,
> > divided attention, either that or early onset... I like to think
I
> > have been overdoing it rather than not being able to do it
> >
> > Time'll tell
> >
> > best
> >
> > L
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics"
> > To:
> > Cc:
> > Sent:Wed, 6 Feb 2013 19:20:28 +1100
> > Subject:Re: snap
> >
> > Held me start to finish. Why cut it into lines? It would read
well
> as
> > a
> > prose poem.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > On 6 February 2013 17:48, Lawrence Upton wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks, Sheila. I appreciate that
> >>
> >> L
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics"
> >> To:
> >> Cc:
> >> Sent:Tue, 5 Feb 2013 23:34:29 -0700
> >> Subject:Re: snap
> >>
> >> Beautiful piece
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:44 PM, Lawrence Upton
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Crossing the low dune to the beach, the dog
> >>>
> >>> turned west. That seemed deliberate. I gave
> >>>
> >>> her some slack; and was pulled, following, to see
> >>>
> >>> many gulls in gaggle at the head, a spit,
> >>>
> >>> and the gulls were spitting! so, possibilities
> >>>
> >>> of beached fish. As we neared, they all skittered
> >>>
> >>> and rose; the dog leapt into a big rush --
> >>>
> >>> a fair-sized southern whiting pecked half clean
> >>>
> >>> on gull-foot-trampled sand, and she galloping off --
> >>>
> >>> And seemed reluctant to return. At last
> >>>
> >>> came back to see what I was pointing to.
> >>>
> >>> She sniffed but was unsure. Too much spattering
> >>>
> >>> of grit? It never bothered her before --
> >>>
> >>> I bent down, inhaling; and lifted it;
> >>>
> >>> half fish, its bottom side still unblemished,
> >>>
> >>> smelling fresh to me; tossed it into waves,
> >>>
> >>> the dog after it, jumping in, sniffing;
> >>>
> >>> and, after some minutes, she thrust her head
> >>>
> >>> underwater, and pulled it out, dropped it
> >>>
> >>> at the sea edge and danced away and back and
> >>>
> >>> around but never touched the corpse again.
> >>>
> >>> Richard Kessling / Lawrence Upton
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Andrew
> > http://hispirits.blogspot.com/
> > 'Undercover of Lightness'
> > http://walleahpress.com.au/recent-publications.html
> > 'Shikibu Shuffle'
> >
>
>
http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/new-from-aboveground-press-shikibu.html
> >
>
>
--
Andrew
http://hispirits.blogspot.com/
'Undercover of Lightness'
http://walleahpress.com.au/recent-publications.html
'Shikibu Shuffle'
http://abovegroundpress.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/new-from-aboveground-press-shikibu.html
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