Thank you all for your replies so far. I agree fully with all your
comments; I don't see how we could maintain a comprehensive record of
historic assets etc when there will be some landowners who, for whatever
reason, won't wish others to know what may or may not be on their land.
I understand some information is too sensitive for full public access,
but I always believed our duty of care was towards the archaeology not
the owners. And as someone has rightly mentioned, trying to keep track
of changing owners, and even getting access to ownership details in the
first place, would take up all of my time and all of the HE service
budget alone. It would be impossible to run a fair and transparent
service imho.
This has come out of blue Rachel, and yes legal are involved. While not
denying there is an undesignated monument on a piece of land, the
landowner is annoyed that I've created a record for it without getting
prior permission. I've worked in HERs for about 13 years and don't
remember this cropping up before. Unfortunately, now that I need it, I
can't find anything actually written down on paper to justify why I
don't need their permission.
Jo
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rachel Grahame
Sent: 07 February 2013 10:10
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Subject: Re: HER permissions
Hi Jo,
As far as I know the issue of landowner's permission to record a site
has never come up, and anyone who suggested it would probably be given
very short shrift. How has this question arisen? If it was deemed
necessary to seek a landowner's permission to record information
relating to their property, the implications for both local and national
government would be far greater than just what is recorded on the HER.
Have you spoken to your legal department about this?
We do not have any written delegated authority to maintain the HER as it
has not been formally adopted by our local authorities but we're looking
to get this done.
Rachel
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From: Mackintosh, Jo [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 06 February 2013 17:15
Subject: FW: HER permissions
Dear all,
Appoligies for cross-posting, this also went out to ALGAO members this
morning.
We believe we will soon be told to request permission from landowners
prior to recording new sites in the HER. Do other host authorities make
their HERs do this? Does anyone know where it says in the 'rules' that
this is or isn't necessary? I've looked through IFP and MIDAS etc but
can see no mention of this one way or the other (I see there's a field
in HBSMR for ownership details but we don't use HBSMR and don't have
this field. Is completing this field mandatory in HBSMR?).
Also, does anyone have written delegated authority to maintain their
HER, ratified by their members/council? It's one of the benchmarks, but
does anyone have the original agreement when their SMR/HER was first set
up, or a later revision? I only have a very general understanding of
how SMRs were originally set up, and we have nothing now on file that
goes back that far.
All advice gratefully received, thank you.
Jo
Jo Mackintosh
Historic Environment Records Officer
Cumbria County Council
tel: 01539 713432
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