Dear Chris,
I am in the process of discussing the issue of recognising and recording Great War military archaeology off aerial photographs with DAT at the present time. I'll have to see what their view is on the matter as the features are visible as cropmarks on some 1946 coverage.
Regards,
Roger
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Webster
Sent: 19 October 2012 10:41
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Subject: Re: Heritage Impact Assessments - Event Types or not?
Aerial photos are the really tricky area - so well spotted. Thinking of when photos are taken specifically of cropmarks etc. You could argue that an air photo is just a photo like any other and so is just a record of something visible. No more an event than taking a picture during a site visit. If each photo is an event, plus the visit itself...
But what if the photos are just tiled verticals that someone is searching for archaeology? That's more like a field technique. But consider the parallel of finding evidence for a lost part of a building from an old painting. Would that be an event? That's more like finding a documentary reference.
And once you start recording that as an event it's only a matter of time before compiling the HER entry is an event.
Enjoy thinking about this for the rest of Friday, I'm off to Southampton to relax at a conference on scientific analysis of pottery.
Chris Webster
Historic Environment Record
Somerset County Council
Somerset Heritage Centre
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Sent: 19 October 2012 09:06
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Been away and just catching up with emails - this implies to me that you can only gather evidence from fieldwork?
So, that means AP interpretation isn't an event either?
As I interpret the definition given in the Thesaurus Introduction, I think they both are, and would record them.
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Webster
Sent: 18 October 2012 11:29
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Ok I will go on about it again. The site visit is the event - the DBA is the source.
Do you record entries in Pevsner as an event?
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Chris Webster
Somerset Historic Environment Record
Somerset County Council
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records on behalf of Jenny Hall
Sent: Wed 17/10/2012 11:18
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Subject: Re: Heritage Impact Assessments - Event Types or not?
Surely the site visit results in primary evidence? We certainly end up with a photographic archive.
Jenny
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Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:03 AM
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Hi, Chris
We do record the fieldwork the DBAs and EIAs may contain as events (usually surveys.). The DBAs, EIAs, etc which contain no events but are a collation of secondary evidence are recorded as sources.
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Dr Rebecca Casa Hatton
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of CARLISLE, Philip
Sent: 17 October 2012 10:28
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Hi Chris,
Maybe you could qualify this by saying 'In my opinion'. In a recent ALGAO survey 76% of respondents said that they recorded these as events.
Phil
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Webster
Sent: 16 October 2012 17:15
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I don't want to go round this again but these are not events, they should be in the HER as sources for the monuments they describe.
Chris Webster
Historic Environment Record
Somerset County Council
Somerset Heritage Centre
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sarah Orr
Sent: 16 October 2012 16:53
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Subject: Heritage Impact Assessments - Event Types or not?
Dear all
Is anyone else recording good Heritage Impact Assessments as Events in their HERs? If so, what Event Type (as in the NMR Event Type Thesaurus -
http://thesaurus.english-heritage.org.uk/thesaurus.asp?thes_no=566) do you categorise them as? There isn't currently a specific term for them, and the scope notes for DBA, EIA and Historic Area Assessment aren't really right for what we see coming in with planning applications. I know there is some scepticism about whether work like DBAs should be considered as Events (and not simply as Sources) but it makes sense from the point of view of data structure to record them as such. I would also argue that well researched assessments do add a lot to HERs and should be flagged up as pieces of work. Is there a need for a new thesaurus term of Heritage Impact Assessment do you think?
Thanks
Sarah Orr
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