Oh that's very interesting actually, Jenny, thank you!

I do remember that feedback from participants in the US Test 18 months ago
was that the extra authority work and transcription caused by loss of Rule
of 3 (which many people had worried about) was not perceived as a problem.
Rather, most of them were very happy to be providing the extra information.

On Oct 25 2012, Jenny Wright wrote:

> Good morning all Analysis on our database showed that less than 3% of
> records worked in the last 6 months had ... [et al.] in them - without
> much difference in % between CIP and book-in-hand records. We couldn't
> establish how many records changed to/from having ... [et al.] between
> the CIP and book-in-hand stage. Most of the book-in-hand records we do
> are public library type material, but there's a fair measure of academic
> titles at CIP stage. Regards Jenny Wright Development Manager
> Bibliographic Data Services Ltd.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: CIG E-Forum
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Helen Williams Sent: 25
> October 2012 10:37 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re:
> [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 6 - discussion
>
> Thanks Celine That's a helpful point. It did take me quite a while to do
> the e-forum records, and I'd not stopped to think particularly about the
> practicalities of extra work back in the 'real world' of cataloguing.
> Like you, I'd not have added a 700 name-title entry for these in current
> cataloguing. Helen
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: C.J. Carty [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of C.J. Carty
>Sent: 25 October 2012 10:35
>To: Williams,HK
>Cc: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 6 - discussion
>
> I didn't include them, largely because the information on the item wasn't
> quite detailed enough and I didn't chase that down. I would have thought
> if it were worth providing at all, then the most useful way to provide it
> is in an access point or something that can actually link people to the
> other item (eg what we currently give as 700 name-titles)? But then I
> wouldn't add those in this kind of case now and so am reluctant to start
> adding them in RDA because of all the extra work (it would affect quite a
> high proportion of our material I think).
>
>Celine
>
>
>On Oct 25 2012, Helen Williams wrote:
>
>>Thanks Jennifer
>>
>>
>>
>>Yes, this is an interesting point.
>>
>>I added the previous volumes as related works, using an unstructured
>>format
>>
>>Follows: Implementing digital reference services (2002) and The virtual
>>reference desk (2006). I took that information from the back cover,
>>and wasn't sure whether I'd have gone to that trouble were I
>>cataloguing this from scratch using AACR2. But mindful of FRBR I
>>wondered if it was a useful relationship to display. Any thoughts?
>>
>>
>>
>>Helen
>>
>>
>>
>>From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>>Jennifer Kelly - Librarian
>>Sent: 25 October 2012 10:17
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: [CIG-E-FORUM] Record 6
>>
>>
>>
>>Record 6. I wasn't sure about the "Digital reference education
>>initiative" as an "other corporate body related to a work" and whether
>>to add the previous volumes as related works.
>>
>>Jennie Kelly
>>
>>
>>
>>IDENTIFYING MANIFESTATIONS AND ITEMS
>>
>>Title proper (T)
>>
>>2.3.2
>>
>>245 $a
>>
>>M
>>
>> Virtual Reference Service
>>
>>Parallel title proper (T) +
>>
>>2.3.3
>>
>>245 $b
>>
>>M
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Other title information (T) +
>>
>>2.3.4
>>
>>245 $b
>>
>>M
>>
>>From competencies to assessment
>>
>>
>>
>>Statement of responsibility relating to title proper (T)
>>
>>2.4.2
>>
>>245 $c
>>
>>M
>>
>>/ R David Lankes, Scott Nicholson, Marie L Radford, Joanne Silverstein,
>>Lynn Westbrook, and Philip Nast, editors
>>
>>Designation of edition (T)
>>
>>2.5.2
>>
>>250
>>
>>M
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Place of publication (T)
>>
>>2.8.2
>>
>>264#1 $a
>>
>>M
>>
>>
>>
>>London:
>>
>>Publisher's name (T)
>>
>>2.8.4
>>
>>264#1 $b
>>
>>M
>>
>>Facet,
>>
>>
>>
>>Date of publication
>>
>>2.8.6
>>
>>264#1 $c
>>
>>M
>>
>>2008.
>>
>>
>>
>>Place of manufacture (T)
>>
>>2.10.2
>>
>>264#3 $a
>>
>>M
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Manufacturer's name (T)
>>
>>2.10.4
>>
>>264#3 $b
>>
>>M
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Date of manufacture
>>
>>2.10.6
>>
>>264#3 $c
>>
>>M
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Copyright date
>>
>>2.11
>>
>>264#4 $c
>>
>>M
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Title proper of series (T)
>>
>>2.12.2
>>
>>490 $a
>>
>>M
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>ISSN of series +
>>
>>2.12.8
>>
>>490 $x
>>
>>M
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Numbering within series (T)
>>
>>2.12.9
>>
>>490 $v
>>
>>M
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Mode of issuance +
>>
>>2.13
>>
>>Ldr/07
>>
>>M
>>
>>
>>
>>single unit
>>
>>Frequency +
>>
>>2.14
>>
>>310/321
>>
>>M
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Identifier ... manifestation
>>
>>2.15
>>
>>020
>>
>>M
>>
>>
>>
>>9781856046381
>>
>>Note on title +
>>
>>2.20.2
>>
>>500/547
>>
>>M
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Note on issue, part, or iteration used as the basis for identification
>>of the resource +
>>
>>2.20.13
>>
>>500/588
>>
>>M
>>
>>
>>
>>DESCRIBING CARRIERS
>>
>>Media type +
>>
>>3.2
>>
>>337
>>
>>M
>>
>>
>>
>>Unmediated
>>
>>Carrier type
>>
>>3.3
>>
>>338
>>
>>M
>>
>>Volume
>>
>>
>>
>>Extent
>>
>>3.4
>>
>>300 $a
>>
>>M
>>
>>Xvii, 206 pages
>>
>>
>>
>>Dimensions +
>>
>>3.5
>>
>>300 $c
>>
>>M
>>
>>23 cm
>>
>>
>>
>>IDENTIFYING WORKS AND EXPRESSIONS
>>
>>Preferred title for the work
>>
>>6.2.2
>>
>>130/240/7XX
>>
>>W
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Content type
>>
>>6.9
>>
>>336
>>
>>E
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>DESCRIBING CONTENT
>>
>>Language of the content +
>>
>>7.12
>>
>>008/546
>>
>>E
>>
>>eng
>>
>>
>>
>>Illustrative content +
>>
>>7.15
>>
>>300 $b
>>
>>E
>>
>>
>>
>>illustrations
>>
>>Supplementary content +
>>
>>7.16
>>
>>500/504
>>
>>E
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>PERSONS, FAMILIES, AND CORPORATE BODIES ASSOCIATED WITH A RESOURCE
>>
>>Creator
>>
>>19.2
>>
>>1XX/7XX
>>
>>W
>>
>>
>>
>>Lankes, R. David
>>
>>Other person, family, or corporate body associated with a work
>>
>>19.3
>>
>>7XX
>>
>>W
>>
>>Nicholson, Scott
>>
>>Other person, family, or corporate body associated with a work
>>
>>19.3
>>
>>7XX
>>
>>W
>>
>>Radford, Marie L.
>>
>>Other person, family, or corporate body associated with a work
>>
>>19.3
>>
>>7XX
>>
>>W
>>
>>Silverstein, Joanne
>>
>>Other person, family, or corporate body associated with a work
>>
>>19.3
>>
>>7XX
>>
>>W
>>
>>Westbrook, Lynn
>>
>>Other person, family, or corporate body associated with a work
>>
>>19.3
>>
>>7XX
>>
>>W
>>
>>Nast, Philip
>>
>>Other person, family, or corporate body associated with a work
>>
>>710
>>
>>W
>>
>>Digital reference education initiative
>>
>>Contributor +
>>
>>20.2
>>
>>7XX
>>
>>E
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>RELATED RESOURCES
>>
>>Related work +
>>
>>25.1
>>
>>4XX/5XX/7XX
>>
>>W
>>
>>5XX: Implementing digital reference services (2002)
>>
>>
>>
>>Related work +
>>
>>25.1
>>
>>4XX/5XX/7XX
>>
>>W
>>
>>5XX: The Virtual reference desk (2006)
>>
>>Related expression +
>>
>>26.1
>>
>>5XX/7XX
>>
>>E
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Related manifestation +
>>
>>27.1
>>
>>5XX/7XX
>>
>>M
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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