The argument is that no other objection was listened to for the past 6 
years. The fact that EMI is now ending is another worry about wasting 
time on something that has no future.

cheers
alessandra

On 31/05/2012 23:17, John Gordon wrote:
> Alessandra and Wahid, in the security TEG there were representatives of all the experiments and some sites. The output was presented to several GDBs, MBs, a whole day pre-GDB, and the WLCG workshop. Slightly more than running it past some other groups. The only remaining argument I hear is 'we've been talking about this for so long we can't possibly do it now'.
>
> Regards,
>
> John
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alessandra Forti [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: 31 May 2012 18:32
>> To: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes
>> Cc: Gordon, John (STFC,RAL,ESC)
>> Subject: Re: glexec tests for ATLAS
>>
>>   >  Similarly, WLCG is a collaboration between sites, experiments, and
>> middleware providers. It is not separate from the experiments.
>>   >  For six months the output from the TEGs has been that identity switching
>> is crucial for identity tracing and separation of workload.
>>
>> John, the requirement and glexec have been discussed for about 6 years =
>> 72 months = 3/4 funding rounds it has gone through reviews and management
>> boards and still at each stage either sites or experiments refused to
>> install it.
>>
>> On top of the past history we are now almost at the end of EMI without a
>> clear plan on how each middleware component will be maintained. I know in
>> the EMI talk it was officially said they will continue but since even DPM
>> is in a fragile state for what concerns funding I have my doubts on how
>> this will develop. And from where I stand DPM is a much more important
>> component than glexec. But hey let's install glexec...
>>
>> cheers
>> alessandra
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes [mailto:TB-
>>>> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alessandra Forti
>>>> Sent: 31 May 2012 15:21
>>>> To:[log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: glexec tests for ATLAS
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jeremy,
>>>>
>>>> Alessandro just got the tests working during CHEP, he knows that not
>>>> all sites are up and running as we talked about it. The driver behind
>>>> this is again WLCG and not the experiments so perhaps the GDB is a
>>>> good place where to have a discussion about deadlines.
>>>>
>>>> cheers
>>>> alessandra
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 31/05/2012 11:52, Jeremy Coles wrote:
>>>>> Hi Alastair
>>>>>
>>>>> It is not the case that glexec is installed and working at the
>>>> majority of UK sites. From where did you get that impression?
>>>>> The current picture under the ops VO (which I would expect to be a
>>>> little ahead of what ATLAS sees):http://tinyurl.com/cwef84h.
>>>>> 7 sites have at least some glexec presence though it is not working
>>>> for all their CEs.
>>>>> 7 sites have not got it installed and working but some of these do
>>>> have previous experience
>>>>> 4 sites depend on a relocatable version that is not yet working.
>>>>>
>>>>> Glexec is up for discussion at the June GDB in a few weeks. We were
>>>> anyway working towards wider rollout and so the answer to Alessandro
>>>> is that yes we have plans to install glexec. However,  I am sure
>>>> sites will increase the local priority if a clear indication of
>>>> experiment plans is given. Is there a date when ATLAS will set the
>>>> glexec test as critical?
>>>>> Jeremy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 31 May 2012, at 11:33, Alastair Dewhurst wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just received the following email from Alessandro di Girolamo
>>>> about new ATLAS glexec tests.
>>>>>> I was under the impression that most UK sites had glexec installed
>>>> so it confuses me slightly that the tests don't work at the majority
>>>> of UK sites.
>>>>>> My knowledge of glexec is very limited but if sites could check
>>>> their test result and try and work out why they are failing that
>>>> would be very helpful.
>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alastair
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Alessandro Di Girolamo<[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>> Date: 31 May 2012 11:02:04 GMT+01:00
>>>>>>> To: Alastair Dewhurst<[log in to unmask]>, Alessandra
>>>> Forti<[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>> Subject: glexec tests for ATLAS
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ciao Alastair and Alessandra,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> we just set up a first glexec basic test for all the ATLAS CEs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are now jobs sent with a Role=pilot which try to execute
>>>> glexec
>>>>>>> this is what the test mainly does:
>>>>>>> https://tomtools.cern.ch/confluence/display/SAM/WN#WN-
>>>> org.sam.glexec.WNgLExec
>>>>>>> ( in details the code is
>>>>>>>
>>>> http://svnweb.cern.ch/world/wsvn/sam/trunk/probes/src/gridmetrics/wnm
>>>> et
>>>> rics.py )
>>>>>>> all the tests are not critical.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm now launching them on all the sites and I would like to
>>>> understand the various situations, just to have a global idea on the
>>>> issues/difficulties (if any), so that we can give to ATLAS an
>>>> overview based on the real situation.
>>>>>>> https://sam-atlas-prod.cern.ch/nagios/cgi-
>>>> bin/status.cgi?servicegroup=%2Fatlas%2FRole%3Dpilot&style=overview
>>>>>>> I see that most (if not all) the UK sites seem not have glexec
>>>> installed.
>>>>>>> Do you have any plan to install it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> THanks
>>>>>>> Ale
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- Alessandro Di Girolamo
>>>>>>> CERN IT-ES-VOS
>>>>>>> +41764870532  (16-0532)
>>>>>>> http://www.cern.ch/Diggi
>>>>>>> --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
>>>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Facts aren't facts if they come from the wrong people. (Paul Krugman)
>> --
>> Facts aren't facts if they come from the wrong people. (Paul Krugman)
>>


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