Greetings,
If you'd like to see a Southern Hemisphere chart you can use the
Astrological software ZET9 from http://www.zaytsev.com/downloads.html
This software allows you to set your ascendant at the right hand side of
the chart and to rotate the chart anti clockwise as it progresses.

Regards,

Morgan Leigh
PhD Candidate
School of Sociology and Social Work
University of Tasmania

On 28/05/2012 8:13 AM, Marie Angelo wrote:
> Hallo - from a long-time reader of the list, wondering if lady
> Astrologia might contribute directly to such conceptual interests - and
> whether  an Argentinian colleague  Diego de Villalobos, from La Plata, 
> might be reading this, or known to anyone .....
> 
> The questions came alive because the exact moment I happened to be
> reading the paragraph about 'learning astrology in the southern
> hemisphere' traditional astrologer Mike Edwards appeared at my desk
> waving an old envelope he'd just found in a book - which turns out to
> contain  a long, well-written letter  exploring  'Possible Adjustments
> of Astrology for the Southern Temperate Zone'  - including reversing the
> signs and re-drawing charts.
> 
> The rub is that the letter is dated 23rd Nov 1989 (!) and although there
> are notes of Mike's attached I fear no reply was actually sent.....  if
> so, and if  you are reading this Diego de Villalobos,  many very late
> apologies and good wishes from the UK - and encouragement, yes, to write
> and publish.
> 
> I took the time of the coincidence and made a chart of the event to
> discuss with a group of traditional astrologers.  Such images of a
> cosmological moment  are like a musical score, and those trained to read
> them find in their complex harmonies a profound form of knowing at once
> precise and far-reaching.....   I wish 'the academy' was making more
> space for such alternative epistemologies - specially considering all
> the helpful developments in expanded/transpersonal research....
> 
> Happy to send on the details if anyone interested in the chart.
> 
> Best wishes to all (and hope one day to contribute to some of the
> amazing debates, but I promised myself  - several years ago! - that I'd
> catch up with some writing first)
> 
> Marie Angelo
> www.imaginalstudies.org
> 
> 
> 
> On 17 May 2012, at 03:53, Morgan Leigh wrote:
> 
>>> It has been conclusively established that Gardnerian practice,
>>> at least, is largely founded upon the Stoic/astrological physics
>>
>> Indeed, but if we were to follow the Stocis we should have to move
>> clockwise always and label the movement as being from Fire to Air to
>> Water to Earth, which does not fit with the astrological model we have.
>>
>> I wonder if Marcus Aurelius would have still thought that, "all things
>> act with one movement" if he had come to the Southern Hemisphere. What
>> would seeing the Sun (and the Moon and the planets) move 'backwards'
>> have done to his philosophical position? We shall never know. It remains
>> that we have inherited the Stoic concept that the universe is a monad.
>> This fact is evident in that we seek to ask this question about moving
>> clockwise or anticlockwise. Do we align ourselves with the physical
>> universe as we see it manifest around us? We have new questions because
>> we have new information that the esteemed Aurelius did not have. And
>> this causes us to reflect and to develop our practice. As Dion Fortune
>> said "How much more, for instance, does the Sephirah Yesod, wherein work
>> the forces of growth and reproduction, mean to the biologist than to the
>> ancient rabbi?"
>>
>> Moreover knowing that we base our conceptions on the ideas of ancient
>> authorities does not mean we must be slaves to their ways. We can not
>> take all their lessons as immutable, for if truth corresponds to our
>> impressions of things, as the Stoics say, then perception is reality.
>> Our perceptions are certainly not the same as theirs. The least example
>> of which is that they never came to the Southern Hemisphere and saw the
>> Sun move anti clockwise.
>>
>> An insight into learning astrology in the Southern Hemisphere. I failed
>> to grok astrology for many years. It remained in my head as a blurred
>> tangle of circles within circles that had no cogent whole. Until... I
>> came across astrological software that enabled me to put the ascendent
>> at the east on the right of the chart and have the whole wheel turn anti
>> clockwise. Until the charts before me matched the reality above me in
>> the skies I was expending too much effort in making the transition from
>> what I saw in the sky to how it was displayed on the chart. At that time
>> I experienced a sudden grasp of the system which enabled me to progress
>> my understanding of that system.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Morgan Leigh
>> PhD Candidate
>> School of Sociology and Social Work
>> University of Tasmania
>>
>> On 17/05/2012 4:33 AM, Khem Caigan wrote:
>>> On 5/15/2012 12:54 AM, Morgan Leigh doth schreibble :
>>>>
>>>> I still don't think we have got to the why of this question.
>>>> Why should we proceed in the order of the zodiac, the seasons,
>>>> the Coriolis force or the winds? Why should we follow, or not,
>>>> the direction of the sun?
>>>
>>> It has been conclusively established that Gardnerian practice,
>>> at least, is largely founded upon the Stoic/astrological physics
>>> of the grimoires (the *Key of Solomon* in particular), along with
>>> other procedures drawn from the same Hellenic/Stoic/Ptolemaic
>>> stream (such as the "Four Watchtowers", by way of the Hermetic
>>> Order of the Golden Dawn).
>>>
>>> See, for example, Aidan Kelly's *Crafting the Art of Magic, Book I:
>>> A History of Modern Witchcraft, 1939-1964*, his *Inventing Witchcraft:
>>> A Case Study in the Creation of a New Religion*, and Henrik Bogdan's
>>> *From Darkness to Light: Western Esoteric Rituals of Initiation*.
>>>
>>> There is a wealth of material available for those Wiccans (and other
>>> inheritors of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn) who wish to explore
>>> the foundational frame that underlies what they perform, in the event
>>> that they don't know /why/ they do what they do.
>>>
>>> I still find it remarkable, at this late date, that so many "Hermetic"
>>> magicians know so little of astrology and its history, and vice-versa.
>>>
>>> Cors in Manu Domine,
>>>
>>>
>>> ~ Khem Caigan
>>> <[log in to unmask]>
>>>
>>> "Heat and Moisture are Active to Generation;
>>> Cold and Dryness are Passive, in and to each thing;
>>> Fire and Air, Active by Elementation;
>>> Water and Earth, Passive to Generation."
>>>
>>> 'Of the Division of Chaos'
>>> -Dr. Simon Forman
>>
>> --