> I think the problem is that students want to take part often have to
sneak around and do it in the evenings and weekends.
But that is a matter of choice surely? My job doesn't directly include
outreach yet I love doing it. My manager is very good and lets me have a
small amount of work time (subject of meeting usual project deadlines
etc.) to do this sort of thing per month but I end up doing maybe 4 or 5
times that amount of outreach work by using weekends, evenings, flexi
days and annual leave. That's my choice because it's something I enjoy
doing. I get paid for none of it but I never feel like I should be
getting paid for it as I choose to volunteer for the various activities.
--
Rhys Phillips
Lightning, Electrostatics & EMH
x4704
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Sent: 28 April 2012 03:36
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Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Support from PhD students
I agree with some of the points already made. Students at phd shouldn't
be paid for outreach or science communication. However, any
contributions they do make should be recognised as part of the phd
process, activities should be supported by supervisors and they should
be allowed to do them in 'normal phd time' and not made to work extra
hours or do the activities at weekends. And they should never be out of
pocket for any outreach or engagement work they do. Obviously some
activities do take place 'out of hours' but if there are ones in the
working day and any planning for those events should be able to be done
in 'normal time'.
The definition of how much work you need to do and how many hours you
are supposed to be doing as a phd student is another issue....
I think the problem is that students want to take part often have to
sneak around and do it in the evenings and weekends.
Sent from my iPhone
On 27 Apr 2012, at 13:06, "Phillips, Rhys" <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
> I know a lot of PhD students (also paid academics and researchers in
> industry) who enjoy outreach / science communication and are more than
> happy to take part in activities for free. In fact the STEM Ambassador
> Scheme thrives on volunteers doing just that and I know a lot of them
> who are currently studying for PhDs.
>
> --
> Rhys Phillips
> Lightning, Electrostatics & EMH
> x4704
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Cathy Baldwin
> Sent: 27 April 2012 14:11
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Support from PhD students
>
> PhD students rarely have a lot of free time, the same as employees.
> During a PhD, there is the pressure to teach, publish, research,
> organise conferences, network for the future etc etc, on a learning
> basis (some with relationships and families to nuture as well) all of
> which contribute to high stress etc, just the same as in ordinary
> academic jobs. Completing a PhD is more than a full time job in
itself.
> I don't know any PhD students who are 'happy' to volunteer for unpaid
> extras, particularly given the low salaries that PhDs encompass. Some
> will do it as a necessarily evil to build the appropriate experience
for
> an academic career. Given that teaching stipends are often low,
> publications and helping out conferences etc don't usually pay, there
is
> no justification for compulsary volunteering. A small amount of er
> 'voluntary volunteering' where there are clear benefits to an up and
> coming researcher's portfolio of experience, may be tolerated, but not
> demanded. All work which demands a person's skills and time should
> ethnically be paid.
>
>
> Dr Cathy Baldwin, [log in to unmask]
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> Subject: [PSCI-COM] Support from PhD students
>
>
> Dear all,
>
> Vaguely related to Laura Walker's question... I'm interested in
people's
> thoughts on using PhD students to support public engagement activities
> and whether they should be remunerated for their time?
>
> Many PhD students will be expected to undertake PE activities as part
of
> their PhD, so might be happy to donate their time for free, but others
> might feel that their expertise and the responsibility being entrusted
> to them should be recognised.
>
> So: should PhD students be paid when they help out at an event?
Perhaps
> it is a spectrum -- some activities should be voluntary (for
> example...?), some should be paid (for example...?)
>
> Be good to hear what you think.
>
> Thanks in advance and best wishes,
>
> Mat
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