Had to happen: http://www.facebook.com/TheNewAesthetic [come join].
On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Sarah Cook
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> Goodness. Another long rant on wired, like a curate's egg, good and bad in
> parts.
>
> But finally someone has said out loud that,
> "The appreciation of generative art requires an aesthetics of process."
> "“Generative art” is not the be-all and end-all of art, or design, or
> engineering, or coding, or architecture. It’s an approach, a technique, and
> a mode of perception."
>
> which, frankly, is what some of us have been saying more generally about
> new media art (in relation to Art with a capital A) for quite some time now.
>
> I like Olia's quip retold by Sterling that the new aesthetic is new media
> without the media. which isn't exactly saying that it is only new either.
> But I also especially like Saul's comments - and Michael's and Honor's -
> which have followed on this list, which tease these things out a little
> further, agreeing that it is not worth discounting the new aesthetic for
> not being new, but rather to consider how it sits, both looking back _and_
> looking forward -- so I wonder, for instance, about the show BitStreams at
> the Whitney Museum from 2001, could we look back and see the work in that
> show through the lens of the new aesthetic? Is there scope for parallel
> history telling here - as Roger Malina has suggested? Certainly lots of
> work in that show was generative, if we are to follow Sterling's lead
> regarding one of the places the new aesthetic has perhaps come from.
>
> I also deeply appreciate Armin's and Nick's comments about histories and
> recouperation strategies (and I wasn't saying there was an art/design
> dichotomy per se, for the record, I was rather feebly pointing out how new
> media art has been understood and appreciated sometimes more often across
> the traditional boundaries present in museums, for example at MoMA, and
> that there are as a result, for those of us observing these things,
> sometimes different crowds of interest around works, and therefore
> different histories which get noted).
>
> The human and the thing-i-ness of all this -- as art -- still is out there
> to be described. (maybe that's what, on ten years reflection, I didn't much
> like about the BitStreams show, the messy human got a little lost in all
> the digital technical trickery of the glossier works? So there you go Saul,
> another event to "be jury-rigged and used to prop up New Aesthetics in a
> longer timeline"?). As Honor said "Aesthetics and art are not
> interchangeable concepts" and yet a problem with histories of new media art
> is that the works in question have not been often considered as 'art'
> because they perhaps didn't spend as much time engaging in aesthetic
> debates, as in social/political/technical/economic ones, which is often
> what good art does best.
>
> running out of steam... someone take over!
> Sarah
>
>
> On 19 Apr 2012, at 18:36, Dennis Moser wrote:
>
> > More from Mr. Sterling today:
> >
> >
> http://www.wired.com/beyond_the_beyond/2012/04/generation-generator-new-aesthetic/
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> > ~~
> > If your first move is brilliant, you’re in trouble. You don’t really know
> > how to follow it; you’re frightened of ruining it. So, to make a mess is
> a
> > good beginning. — Brian Eno
>
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>
> Dr. Sarah Cook
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> MA Curating Module Leader
>
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>
> See our exhibitions!
>
> Mirror Neurons, including work by Michael Snow, Catherine Richards, Simon
> Pope, Thomson&Craighead and Scott Rogers, at the National Glass Centre at
> the University of Sunderland, on view until 20 May 2012
> http://www.nationalglasscentre.com/whats-on/2012/03/01/mirror-neurons.html
>
> Joe Winter: A History of Light - Variable Array, at the National Glass
> Centre at the University of Sunderland until 20 May 2012.
>
> Read our books!
>
> Euphoria & Dystopia: The Banff New Media Institute Dialogues (2011) from
> Banff Centre Press and Riverside Architectural Press
> http://www.banffcentre.ca/press/39/euphoria-and-dystopia.mvc
>
> Rethinking Curating: Art After New Media (2010) from MIT Press
> http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=12071
>
> A Brief History of Curating New Media Art, and A Brief History of Working
> with New Media Art (both 2010) from The Green Box, Berlin
> http://www.thegreenbox.net
>
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