I will do a more complex rely next week, but for now.

The workshop was advertised as something like Social medial useful tool or extravagant add-on. No counter argument to useful tool was put forward.

The afternoon exercise showed a profound ignorance by a number of people of how we currently engage over things like parish plans and conservation area appraisals

Although Know your place is certainly useful the lack of feed back makes it extremely dispiriting to use

David Evans
Historic Environment Record Officer
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Strategic Planning Policy & Specialist Advice
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-----Original Message-----
From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Peter Insole
Sent: 27 April 2012 15:51
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Subject: Re: Reading tweets from Local Engagement Workshops without twitter account

I feel compelled to respond to this on a Friday afternoon.

I thought the workshop in Birmingham was very successful. I'd be
interested to know what you were hoping to get out of the event?
There was plenty of references to the variety of tools at our disposal
for public engagement from tea and cake to facebook.
At no time will social media replace the need for face to face
discussions, nor was this proposed at the event.

The point of the workshop was to cover some other options that people
might not have thought about and in this regard some points were quite
important I think given the economy, localism etc.

1 If we want to continue in our role as custodians of the historic
environment and to contribute to the creation of better quality places
we need new approaches that help us truly deliver more with less.
2 The fact that there are 30 million UK users of Facebook and 26
million UK users of Twitter means that we would be fools not to use
these as one of our communication channels.
3 Leaflets on doormats on my street are only relevant to the residents
of my street. However, if that message is also published on social media
the information or the approach has the potential to generate wider
interest. It doesn't mean it will happen, but to ignore the potential
would be a missed opportunity. I am more likely to read and respond to a
blog entry than a published case study.
4 If we as historic environment professionals are to remain relevant we
need to form new partnerships and collaborations. Use of social media
will enable this to happen. Although Know Your Place is not truly social
media, it is crowd sourced HER data. Since launching the site last year
our HER has not only reached a wider audience, but we now have
partnership projects with the Universities (Bristol and UWE neither of
which ever used to speak to me), I have given talks to umpteen
organisations such as our local Civic Society, we have had three
exhibitions and the website is mentioned by developers, planners and
most importantly local members. I would argue that the use of social
media might actually result in more face to face discussions.

One comment in my group at the workshop was that just to get heritage
on the table when it comes to regeneration, policy or place making would
be a result. Given the profile that the Bristol HER now has, might it
not be possible to achieve the same across the UK through the use of
social media? Discuss.



Peter Insole
Archaeological Officer
City Development (Urban Design and Conservation)
Neighbourhoods and City Development

BristolCity Council 
Brunel House
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>>> David Evans <[log in to unmask]> 26/04/2012 08:58 >>>
Twitter as paradigm for alienation - discuss!

I have a facebook account; a linkedin account; used flickr; even
dabbled on you tube; and now have a twitter account - though I expect it
to remain dormant!
Yes (a)social media has a place - the Nauru of communication - but a
very small one in engagement. It was quite clear that many (most) of the
people at the meeting had not been involved in helping with a parish
plan or a conservation area appraisal.
Sending out letters, having meetings, chance to comment on-line, email
newsletter, all work fine: already.

Yes the loudest vessels will still make the most noise.

David Evans
Historic Environment Record Officer
(Postal Address)
Strategic Planning Policy & Specialist Advice
Department of Environment and Community Services
PO Box 2081
The Council Offices, Castle Street
Thornbury
South Gloucestershire
BS35 9BP
Phone: 01454 863649
fax:       01454 864473
-----Original Message-----
From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records
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Sent: 25 April 2012 14:35
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Subject: Re: Reading tweets from Local Engagement Workshops without
twitter account

To balance Dave's view, I thought that the day was a great success -
thanks to Jane, Jude and all the facilitators. I thought that it made
old luddites like me realise the potential of social media in getting
our message across, as well as its relevance in the wider challenge of
engaging with local communities, which before had seemed a bit
daunting.

I have come back a convert and will be getting into Twitter as soon as
I can get a smart phone - I knew there was a catch somewhere!

Thanks for putting on a really useful day.

Bob

Bob Jones BA, FSA, MIfA
Senior Archaeological Officer
City Design Group (Urban Design and Conservation)
Neighbourhoods and City Development
Bristol City Council
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>>> David Evans <[log in to unmask]> 25/04/12 09:04 >>>
If they are as dismal as the day itself then no thank you, at least it
was Birmingham so there is always Burne-Jones.

 

David Evans

Historic Environment Record Officer

(Postal Address)

Strategic Planning Policy & Specialist Advice

Department of Environment and Community Services

PO Box 2081

The Council Offices, Castle Street

Thornbury

South Gloucestershire

BS35 9BP

Phone: 01454 863649

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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of MACLEAN, Sarah
Sent: 24 April 2012 12:20
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Subject: Reading tweets from Local Engagement Workshops without
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Dear all,

 

If you don't have a twitter account but would like to read all the
tweets, try this link

http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23histenviron . We will be
tweeting today and Thursday with information from the workshop,
including photos. There are some really interesting bits of
information
already.

 

all the best

 

Sarah

 

 

 

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