Thank you all for this really interesting thread - I'm sure I'm not the only one who has learnt quite a bit from this but I'm not sure any of you were intending to teach me - so for me that brings us back to Vygotsky and the power of learning from and with peers.
Celia
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Dear All
For my twopenneth I was informed by a scholar of medieval English that to teach and to learn were once the same in English too - so "that'll learn you" was at one time correct English.
Old English leornian 'learn' (in Middle English also 'teach'), of West Germanic origin; related to German lernen, also to lore (http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/learn)
Best wishes
Clara
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In French 'apprendre' can have both meanings. If you want it to mean 'to teach' it's followed by the preposition 'a'
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Jo
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On 23 Mar 2012, at 15:03, "Gwen Van Der Velden" <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
In Dutch -much like South African, I expect, the same word can be used: leren. That said, if the verb 'leren' is followed by an indication of who exactly learns, it actually means 'I am making you learn' in that teaching kind of way.
So in literal translation:
'I learn you to tie shoelaces', means you are learning, I am teaching you.
'I learn to tie shoelaces', means I am learning.
In either case, you may want to note the weather today and swap your shoes for flip flops!
Gwen
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It’s certainly common in many parts of Scotland too but actively discouraged by schools as being ungrammatical. On reading the examples from other languages, I’m now beginning to think there are actually some grounds for this dual meaning after all. Maybe local dialects get it right – we lose a lot of richness in our language when we discourage them.
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Linda
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And in many dialects of English, ‘learn’ is used for both, as in ‘She learned me how to ride a bike’. This was common in the West Country where I grew up – any other regional dialects that use ‘learn’ instead of ‘teach’?
Corony
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Yes, Danny. In Afrikaans the same word “[om te] leer is used for “to teach and “to learn .
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Subject: teaching and learning in the same word request from Danny Saunders
Dear SEDA colleagues
Do you know of any verbs where “to teach and “to learn are combined? In Welsh we have “dysgu and I always thought this was unique – only to find that in the Maori language “ako “has the same function. There is also “uciti in Croatian (please see below) – can you suggest any more?!
All best wishes
Danny
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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 10:38:48 +0000
Hi Mirijana
Thank you for this lovely email and I would very much like to send an extract to other colleagues in educational development as I think we might start collecting verbs which mean to teach and to learn in different languages! Would you object if I therefore circulated the following please?
“I mentioned to a mature student ( I'm teaching her my mother tongue which is Croatian, her father came to N.Z. from Yugoslavia in 1913 to work in the gumfields up North) that you have found that the word to teach and to learn is the same in Maori as it is in Welsh and she told me that it's the same in Croatian as well! And she's right.
In Croatian you can "uciti" (the c has a little v over it and it's sounded as a ch sound in English) something
or "uciti" someone something.
I suspect all the Slavic languages follow suit but I would need to check that out.
With all best wishes
Danny
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