Don't assume these days that Green politics are automatically Left.
Here is the website of Finnish ecofascist Pentti Linkola who has some
very controversial ideas which have been embraced by the New Right.
Some of his more extreme views aren't represented here.
http://www.penttilinkola.com/pentti_linkola/ecofascism/
Ted Kaczynski, aka The Unabomber, is also popular with the Green Right.
And yes, a number of these views do transcend traditional Left/Right
distinctions.
Best,
Amy
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 4:31 PM, David Mattichak
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> Here in Australia my experience is that Paganism and Green politics have
> been conflated so that the default political affiliation for new age beliefs
> leans naturally towards the left. The elitism of many magickal schools also
> lend themselves to be more right wing. After following this discussion for
> the past week it seems to me that it is impossible to divorce politics from
> any aspect of our lives and so it is logical to assume that people's
> spiritual beliefs will have some sort of influence on their political
> affiliations.
>
> I have to concur with Sam Wager (in another related thread) that the
> conspiracy theorists have too extreme a view to be taken seriously.
>
> ________________________________
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:44:53 -0700
> From: [log in to unmask]
>
> Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Synarchy--Occulture Played A Part In
> Forming The EU?
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
>
> Aloha,
>
> On 3/22/2012 2:07 AM, Daniel Lewis wrote:
>
> If we look at the more Trotskyist and Anarchic groups within the Marxist
> domain we tend to find people that are not materialist, often quite
> spiritual or at least very "eco". I can imagine that many Marxist Pagans do
> have a Trotsky or Anarchy stance, but if they move to the Stalin type then
> it might bring them out of Paganism.
>
> Here, speaking from my own experience, I find that my assessments
> of (eco) Pagan political alignments are rooted in the key operational
> distinction between what somebody or some group claims to be
> and/or asserts as an essential value or goal--and what that political
> views or aims that person or group may actually espouse.
>
> The presence and participation of informants, provocateurs,
> disinformation agents, and campaigns of covert disruption have
> made me edgy about sizing up just how Leftish recent eco politics
> may have, in fact, been. I suppose that I am trying to get at two
> possibilities in making some sort of assessment of political ideologies
> influencing Pagan eco politics here:
>
> 1.) Pagan eco politics may have revolved around a more centrist
> hub without push from provocative agents and/or agencies, and
>
> 2.) There is a relationship between insincere advocacy of a political
> view and sincere adherence to that view. But it gets complicated for
> analysis.
>
> Let me add that I do take Pagan eco politics as Leftish on the
> whole and do acknowledge sincere eco anarchist Pagans. I have a
> hard time with the notion of "ecofascism," though.
>
> When we talk about "Far Right" groups, we're usually talking about Fascists
> - which are actually, usually, at the top of the Political Compass, and
> bizarrely in the centre. They are very nationalist (hence the racism), very
> authoritarian, but they also quite like state-funded things, and will often
> promote co-operative business. I can quite easily imagine that some Pagan
> groups/people are "Far Right" politically, if they start to become
> authoritarian and nationalist - and then there are theories such as the
> Aryan thought, which made its way into Esoteric (Pagan & Christian) thought
> in Germany from Indian-Theosophy, which wouldn't help. My personal line of
> inquiry into Synarchy is still rather puzzling - How can Papus, Victor Hugo
> et al really be "rightwards-leaning", when a lot of what they did seem to be
> "leftwards-leaning"? Even Saint-Yves seems more likely to have been on the
> side of liberalism than conservativism. Cheers for the debate everyone.
>
> Honestly, I put up my first post about synarchy because I
> don't have a clue about the French Right. What little I have
> learned since hints to me that aspects of French Right
> political thinking probably overlaps with what I consider
> aspects of American Liberalism. So I, relying on American
> political knowledge, wouldn't consider it Right at all (say,
> in assessing Papus or other occultists and their politics).
>
> Frankly, I'm learning a lot from this thread. Thanx to
> all the list members posting in it.
>
> Musing Ideological Influences Are Like The Hydrothermal Vents
> Of Occulture! They Generate Their Own Little Worlds! Rose,
>
> Pitch
>
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