Keith and others,
I too am worried about us making the same Faustian bargain with journals in the data space that we did in publications.
Fortunately, it seems as if the scale of the challenge is causing some publishers to tread more warily.
See this encouraging presentation from Eefke Smit from the International Association of STM Publishers at last years JISC MRD International Workshop: http://www.jisc.ac.uk/media/documents/programmes/mrd/28and29March/03B_Smit_Publishers_and_Data.ppt
On 27/03/2012, at 24:43 , Keith Jeffrey wrote:
> Joy -
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> The answer is simple. Researchers can follow the RCUK mandate by making their publications OA green using the IR. This incurs no publisher publication charges (gold OA) unless for some reason the researcher choose to publish in a journal or conference proceedings that is 'gold only'. I recognise the biomedical research community have a problem due to the diktat of publishing in Pubmed - and I hope those RCs responsible for that policy will find an appropriate mechanism for their supported researchers.
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> If we follow the similar 'green' path with data then I foresee no problem with costs - except those of digital preservation which will either be borne by the RCs (those that insist researchers deposit in their datacentres) or universities. What we must not do is get into a 'gold' charging model for data - if publishers charge ~3k€ for a 1<b publication just think what they would charge for terabytes / petabytes of data!
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> Best
> Keith
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> Subject: A potential model for RDM costs?
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> It will be interesting to see if the RCUK's intention to 'build an institutional open access fund that draws from the indirect costs on grants' extends to RDM and longer-term accessibility. Seems like this could be a good opportunity for the JISC MRD community to lobby to have RDM costs included in any OA fund developed.
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> Joy Davidson
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> Few universities have their own open access funds Elizabeth Gibney Research Fortnight Today Issue 3891
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> Only 13 per cent of universities surveyed by researchers at the University of Nottingham have a dedicated fund to pay author fees in open access publishing, a paper in the journal Learned Publishing claims.
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> One of the main ways to make research available for free to the public is for publishers to charge article-processing fees, rather than charge to read the paper.
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> According to the paper, by Stephen Pinfield and Christine Middleton, only seven of the 52 responding universities had set up an institutionally co-ordinated approach to paying open access fees.
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> The figure has not increased since the 2009 survey and there is no correlation between the type of institution, divided by mission group, and whether or not they had a central fund.
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> Of institutions that said they did not have such as fund, only 10 per cent said they were likely to create one in the next 12 months.
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> "Given that all seven UK Research Councils and 26 UK universities now have policies encouraging or requiring authors to make their articles openly accessible, it is perhaps surprising that there have not been more initiatives in HEIs [higher education institutions] to set up comprehensive policy and process infrastructures to ensure implementation of these requirements," reads the article.
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> Although funding to cover such fees may be included as costs within grant applications to the research councils, councils will not provide extra funding to cover these fees after the research has been carried out. The Wellcome Trust, however, does provide such funding.
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> A draft revision of RCUK's open access policy, published last week, says the organisation is "aware of the difficulties of the current system" and in the longer-term may revisit the model. In the meantime, it says, RCUK will work with institutions on how they might build an institutional open access fund that draws from the indirect costs on grants.
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> Meanwhile, the government has commissioned a working group on expanding access to research findings, chaired by Janet Finch, University of Manchester sociology professor and co-chairwoman of the Council for Science and Technology.
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> Her report, scheduled for publication this spring, is expected to propose a programme of action and make recommendations to government.
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> http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/alpsp/lp/2012/00000025/00000002/art00005
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