italian-studies: Scholarly discussions in any field of Italian studies
Thanks, everyone, for your advice. Just some context: I once overstayed
a study visa because the Italian Consulate dated that visa fewer days
than the plane ticket I was obliged to present at the time of
application for the visa. Traveling through Zurich, I was stopped by the
police and fined on the spot to the tune of two hundred swiss francs, as
well as threatened with not being able to return to the whole Schengen
region for eighteen months -- after I had just purchased an apartment in
Perugia.
When, upon my return to the US, I contacted the Italian consulate, the
response was truly Pirandellian: we never give visas as long as your
plane ticket, you were supposed to leave the Schengen when your study
visa ran out and then return on a tourist visa. I guess I was supposed
to swim to Tunisia, hang out there for a few days, and then swim back to
Italy to take my return flight home.
As a result of this, I have been reluctant to stay beyond ninety days.
Unfortunately, no one has yet to answer this question of the date from
which the 180 days in the 90 day period allowed on a tourist visa --
which is automatically granted and does not require any actual, paper
visa -- is calculated. If a scholar goes to Italy over the winter break
and again over the summer break, it is quite easy to be there longer
than 90 days in a 180 day period.
It looks in fact like the best way to go is a type D visa for
subordinate employment. If anyone from the US has any idea how these
work, I would greatly appreciate any advice. Anthony is certainly
correct that the Italians can be very lax in terms of stamping a
passport -- but the operative word here is "can." And I have even had
Swiss officials chastise me for not insisting that an Italian border
guard stamp my passport! While it seems one option is simply to avoid
Zurich, given the fluctuating prices of airfares, this is not always
convenient.
Grazie, ancora -- for your advice and patience.
John
On 02/24/2012 11:00 AM, Oldcorn, Anthony wrote:
> italian-studies: Scholarly discussions in any field of Italian studies
>
> Dear John,
>
> This looks like much ado about nothing. I have traveled back and forth
> from Italy to the US countless times over the past 20 years (and lived
> in Italy, sometimes for a semester, sometimes for a year, at least
> once for two years) and never once (at least since the Schengen
> agreement) do I recall anyone asking to see my passport at the
> airport, probably because I always arrived in Italy, not directly from
> the US, but indirectly, from London or Paris (where I did have to show
> a passport). I carry two by the way, British and US, and usually
> display the former in Europe, but it didn't seem to make much
> difference.
> I think the key then is to arrive from another European country. My
> destination was usually Bologna, where there are no intercontinental
> arrivals. I don't know what they pay the Italian border police for in
> a place like Bologna, since they are either absent altogether or
> chatting among themselves at the exit from the baggage claim area.
>
> Anthony Oldcorn
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 10:30 AM, [log in to unmask]<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> italian-studies: Scholarly discussions in any field of Italian studies
>>
>> I apologize for the cross-posting.
>> .
>> Best Regards,
>> Sara Bonfili
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Ciao Sciltian ! anche te sei in questa lista..come va? buon lavoro e buona
>>> fortuna... io discuteṛ la tesi di PhD a breve...
>>> A presto,
>>> sara bonfili
>>>
>>>
>>>> ----Messaggio originale----
>>>> Da: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Data: 23/02/2012 19.11
>>>> A:<[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Ogg: Re: [I-S] Travel question
>>>>
>>>> italian-studies: Scholarly discussions in any field of Italian studies
>>>>
>>>> Dear John,
>>>>
>>>> I believe your solution would be to apply for a National Visa, which
>>>> enables entrance only to Italy and not to the entire Schengen area. A
>>>> National visa can be asked for a number of different reasons, among
>>>> which there are business; and study. They can allow you to enter for
>>>> more than 90 days in a period of 180 days.
>>>>
>>>> The norms on visas for foreigners entering Italy say: "National Visa
>>>> for Study Mission: entry permit for brief or long-term periods for
>>>> foreigners intending to attend university or professional training
>>>> courses at certified Italian institutions." You'll need:
>>>> "Documentation guaranteeing the course of study; means of financial
>>>> support as envisaged by law; healthcare insurance policy." But in your
>>>> case you may also consider the Business option.
>>>>
>>>> As for the normal Schengen visa, as far as I know the 180 days are
>>>> established between you and the Italian consulate where you apply.
>>>> They ask you: "When do you want this VISA to be valid from?", you say
>>>> your date and the 180 days are calculated from that date on. Be aware
>>>> that the days of etry that you are allowed are calculated in total, so
>>>> if you ask for 90 days but then you stay in the Schengen area for only
>>>> 2 days, you come back to out-of-Schengen and you plan to go back to
>>>> Schengen area within the 180 days of that same VISA, you'll have zero
>>>> days available, thus you won't be allowed permit to entry! So pay
>>>> attention to ask for the exact number of days you are actually going
>>>> to be in the Schengen area countries, when asking the permit.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>> Sciltian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *************************
>>>> Sciltian Gastaldi, Ph.D.
>>>> M.Ed., M.S.J., M.A., Laurea, Laurea
>>>> Journalist, Writer, Translator
>>>>
>>>> www.sciltiangastaldi.com
>>>> *************************
>>>>
>>>> On 23-Feb-12, at 12:49 PM, John Champagne wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> italian-studies: Scholarly discussions in any field of Italian studies
>>>>>
>>>>> Colleagues:
>>>>>
>>>>> I apologize if this question seems off topic, but I was wondering if
>>>>> anyone knows how travel in the Schengen works in terms of number of
>>>>> days allowed. All the sources of information state 90 days in a 180
>>>>> day period, but they do not specify from what date one should
>>>>> calculate that 180 days. Having had a particularly negative
>>>>> experience once traveling from Italy via Zurich, I do not want to
>>>>> repeat that disaster.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, it is my understanding that there is no such thing as a travel
>>>>> visa that lasts more than 90 days, and so I am wondering how those
>>>>> of you who have had to be in Italy to conduct research for longer
>>>>> than 90 days in a 180 period have handled the situation. From what I
>>>>> can tell, elective residency is the only option, and this requires
>>>>> proof of a year's income in the bank. I cannot find any special kind
>>>>> of visa for the purposes of conducting research.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cordiale salute,
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
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>> Subject: R: Re: [I-S] Travel question
>> italian-studies: Scholarly discussions in any field of Italian studies
>>
>> italian-studies: Scholarly discussions in any field of Italian studies
>>
>> Ciao Sciltian ! anche te sei in questa lista..come va? buon lavoro e buona
>> fortuna... io discuteṛ la tesi di PhD a breve...
>> A presto,
>> sara bonfili
>>
>>
>>> ----Messaggio originale----
>>> Da: [log in to unmask]
>>> Data: 23/02/2012 19.11
>>> A:<[log in to unmask]>
>>> Ogg: Re: [I-S] Travel question
>>>
>>> italian-studies: Scholarly discussions in any field of Italian studies
>>>
>>> Dear John,
>>>
>>> I believe your solution would be to apply for a National Visa, which
>>> enables entrance only to Italy and not to the entire Schengen area. A
>>> National visa can be asked for a number of different reasons, among
>>> which there are business; and study. They can allow you to enter for
>>> more than 90 days in a period of 180 days.
>>>
>>> The norms on visas for foreigners entering Italy say: "National Visa
>>> for Study Mission: entry permit for brief or long-term periods for
>>> foreigners intending to attend university or professional training
>>> courses at certified Italian institutions." You'll need:
>>> "Documentation guaranteeing the course of study; means of financial
>>> support as envisaged by law; healthcare insurance policy." But in your
>>> case you may also consider the Business option.
>>>
>>> As for the normal Schengen visa, as far as I know the 180 days are
>>> established between you and the Italian consulate where you apply.
>>> They ask you: "When do you want this VISA to be valid from?", you say
>>> your date and the 180 days are calculated from that date on. Be aware
>>> that the days of etry that you are allowed are calculated in total, so
>>> if you ask for 90 days but then you stay in the Schengen area for only
>>> 2 days, you come back to out-of-Schengen and you plan to go back to
>>> Schengen area within the 180 days of that same VISA, you'll have zero
>>> days available, thus you won't be allowed permit to entry! So pay
>>> attention to ask for the exact number of days you are actually going
>>> to be in the Schengen area countries, when asking the permit.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Sciltian
>>>
>>>
>>> *************************
>>> Sciltian Gastaldi, Ph.D.
>>> M.Ed., M.S.J., M.A., Laurea, Laurea
>>> Journalist, Writer, Translator
>>>
>>> www.sciltiangastaldi.com
>>> *************************
>>>
>>> On 23-Feb-12, at 12:49 PM, John Champagne wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> italian-studies: Scholarly discussions in any field of Italian studies
>>>>
>>>> Colleagues:
>>>>
>>>> I apologize if this question seems off topic, but I was wondering if
>>>> anyone knows how travel in the Schengen works in terms of number of
>>>> days allowed. All the sources of information state 90 days in a 180
>>>> day period, but they do not specify from what date one should
>>>> calculate that 180 days. Having had a particularly negative
>>>> experience once traveling from Italy via Zurich, I do not want to
>>>> repeat that disaster.
>>>>
>>>> Also, it is my understanding that there is no such thing as a travel
>>>> visa that lasts more than 90 days, and so I am wondering how those
>>>> of you who have had to be in Italy to conduct research for longer
>>>> than 90 days in a 180 period have handled the situation. From what I
>>>> can tell, elective residency is the only option, and this requires
>>>> proof of a year's income in the bank. I cannot find any special kind
>>>> of visa for the purposes of conducting research.
>>>>
>>>> Cordiale salute,
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
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