On 2 Feb 2012, at 02:19, Julie S Maclure <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Dear All,
This magazine portrays a kind of Ms Munro era where women have no option but to dress up and look the part, to compete with each other for male attention bringing with this a lowering of moral stance for some.
Where are the Chipendales who portray the same affliction for the male populations ?!
Regards,
Julie
On 2 Feb 2012, at 00:00, ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC automatic digest system <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
There are 13 messages totaling 1632 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Thanks to everyone from the list who helped (12)
2. The Fourth Israeli Conference for the Study of Contemporary Spiritualities
(4th ICSCS)
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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 07:47:04 +0000
From: D G Mattichak jr <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
Hi All;
I just wanted to say a quick thanks to everyone that patiently answered my questions for my article Spirituality: A New Religion for a New Age. I would especially like to thank Sabina and Jesper for their help.
For those who are interested the article was published today and you can take a look at:
http://www.mootmagazine.com/2012/01/31/spirituality-the-new-religion-for-the-new-age/
Thanks
David Mattichak
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 08:34:58 +0000
From: "Segal, Professor Robert A." <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
Feb. 1
Dear David,
I'd never heard of MOOT MAGAZINE till now.
I just perused your well-written article, which I recognize is directed to a popular rather than an academic audience. I do not want to get involved in an exchange with you or with others, but conspicuously missing from your article are (a) the argument of rational choice theorists of religion that in America traditional religion is thriving and, more important, (b) even the most superficial consideration of what it means to identify a group or a movement as a religion. For those of us professionally trained in religious studies, metaphysics, ethics, and INSTITUTIONALIZATION are necessary, whether or not sufficient, criteria. The new age "movement" hardly qualifies AS a religion, in which case it can never be a rival or successor to existing religion. As Weber noted a hundred years, any movement that survives BECOMES institutionalized. Otherwise it simply dies out.
Sincerely,
Robert Segal
Prof. of Religious Studies
University of Aberdeen
From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of D G Mattichak jr [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 7:47 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
Hi All;
I just wanted to say a quick thanks to everyone that patiently answered my questions for my article Spirituality: A New Religion for a New Age. I would especially like to thank Sabina and Jesper for their help.
For those who are interested the article was published today and you can take a look at:
http://www.mootmagazine.com/2012/01/31/spirituality-the-new-religion-for-the-new-age/
Thanks
David Mattichak
The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland, No SC013683.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 16:01:59 +0700
From: Dr Dave Evans <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
i liked it! Written for an eclectic online magazine rather than a
specialist academic journal, so the remit probably had to be 'make it
accessible for an intelligent reader, but one who may not have read on this
subject in any depth'. Thus not scope within word limit for a huge coverage
of every single technical debate. It will encourage people to think and
explore the subjects raised, which is definitely a great thing. Would have
liked to see a few general links to further reading or references, which
would help people explore further- or maybe there are embedded hyperlinks
in the text that my crappy old screen doesn't show well enough, in any case
- nice one
Dave E
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Segal, Professor Robert A. <
[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Feb. 1
Dear David,
I'd never heard of MOOT MAGAZINE till now.
I just perused your well-written article, which I recognize is directed to
a popular rather than an academic audience. I do not want to get involved
in an exchange with you or with others, but conspicuously missing from your
article are (a) the argument of rational choice theorists of religion that
in America traditional religion is thriving and, more important, (b) even
the most superficial consideration of what it means to identify a group or
a movement as a religion. For those of us professionally trained in
religious studies, metaphysics, ethics, and INSTITUTIONALIZATION are
necessary, whether or not sufficient, criteria. The new age "movement"
hardly qualifies AS a religion, in which case it can never be a rival or
successor to existing religion. As Weber noted a hundred years, any
movement that survives BECOMES institutionalized. Otherwise it simply
dies out.
Sincerely,
Robert Segal
Prof. of Religious Studies
University of Aberdeen
From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic [
[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of D G Mattichak jr [
[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 7:47 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
Hi All;
I just wanted to say a quick thanks to everyone that patiently answered my
questions for my article Spirituality: A New Religion for a New Age. I
would especially like to thank Sabina and Jesper for their help.
For those who are interested the article was published today and you can
take a look at:
http://www.mootmagazine.com/2012/01/31/spirituality-the-new-religion-for-the-new-age/
Thanks
David Mattichak
The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland, No
SC013683.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 09:47:50 -0000
From: Nicholas Campion <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
Hi Robert,
You raise excellent points, but can I suggest that New Age culture was
institutionalized a long time ago in the Theosophical Society, followed by
its many Steiner-esque and Baileyite offshoots. One could add to this a host
of other institutions, such as The Wrekin Trust, and the outfits run by such
figures as Elizabeth Clare Prophet and Benjamin Creme. I'd certainly add the
Raelians, and we might want to begin the list with the Swedenborgian New
Church. There is no single institution but, surely, exactly like
Christianity, a proliferation of competing institutions.
(By the way, I would see the origins of the modern New Age 'movement' in the
late 18th century).
What do you think?
Nick
-----Original Message-----
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Robert A.
Sent: 01 February 2012 08:35
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Thanks to everyone from the list who
helped
Feb. 1
Dear David,
I'd never heard of MOOT MAGAZINE till now.
I just perused your well-written article, which I recognize is directed to a
popular rather than an academic audience. I do not want to get involved in
an exchange with you or with others, but conspicuously missing from your
article are (a) the argument of rational choice theorists of religion that
in America traditional religion is thriving and, more important, (b) even
the most superficial consideration of what it means to identify a group or a
movement as a religion. For those of us professionally trained in
religious studies, metaphysics, ethics, and INSTITUTIONALIZATION are
necessary, whether or not sufficient, criteria. The new age "movement"
hardly qualifies AS a religion, in which case it can never be a rival or
successor to existing religion. As Weber noted a hundred years, any
movement that survives BECOMES institutionalized. Otherwise it simply dies
out.
Sincerely,
Robert Segal
Prof. of Religious Studies
University of Aberdeen
From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic
[[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of D G Mattichak jr
[[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 7:47 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
Hi All;
I just wanted to say a quick thanks to everyone that patiently answered my
questions for my article Spirituality: A New Religion for a New Age. I would
especially like to thank Sabina and Jesper for their help.
For those who are interested the article was published today and you can
take a look at:
http://www.mootmagazine.com/2012/01/31/spirituality-the-new-religion-for-the
-new-age/
Thanks
David Mattichak
The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland, No SC013683.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 23:04:45 +1100
From: David Mattichak <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
Thanks Robert. The original draft of the article did address those issues but they took the word count over the maximum space that I could have. I did ask several Christian churches for statements and had no replies so I couldn't really include their opinion which was disappointing.
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 08:34:58 +0000
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
To: [log in to unmask]
Feb. 1
Dear David,
I'd never heard of MOOT MAGAZINE till now.
I just perused your well-written article, which I recognize is directed to a popular rather than an academic audience. I do not want to get involved in an exchange with you or with others, but conspicuously missing from your article are (a) the argument of rational choice theorists of religion that in America traditional religion is thriving and, more important, (b) even the most superficial consideration of what it means to identify a group or a movement as a religion. For those of us professionally trained in religious studies, metaphysics, ethics, and INSTITUTIONALIZATION are necessary, whether or not sufficient, criteria. The new age "movement" hardly qualifies AS a religion, in which case it can never be a rival or successor to existing religion. As Weber noted a hundred years, any movement that survives BECOMES institutionalized. Otherwise it simply dies out.
Sincerely,
Robert Segal
Prof. of Religious Studies
University of Aberdeen
From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of D G Mattichak jr [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 7:47 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
Hi All;
I just wanted to say a quick thanks to everyone that patiently answered my questions for my article Spirituality: A New Religion for a New Age. I would especially like to thank Sabina and Jesper for their help.
For those who are interested the article was published today and you can take a look at:
http://www.mootmagazine.com/2012/01/31/spirituality-the-new-religion-for-the-new-age/
Thanks
David Mattichak
The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland, No SC013683.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 12:06:46 +0000
From: "Segal, Professor Robert A." <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
Feb. 1
Dear David,
Many thanks for this. Things make much more sense now. Since your article is otherwise carefully and systematically composed, I'd wondered why no mention of the two issues.
If it is any consolation, tradition has it that Muhammed too was given a rigid max length.
Best wishes,
Robert
________________________________________
From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Mattichak [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 12:04 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
Thanks Robert. The original draft of the article did address those issues but they took the word count over the maximum space that I could have. I did ask several Christian churches for statements and had no replies so I couldn't really include their opinion which was disappointing.
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 08:34:58 +0000
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
To: [log in to unmask]
Feb. 1
Dear David,
I'd never heard of MOOT MAGAZINE till now.
I just perused your well-written article, which I recognize is directed to a popular rather than an academic audience. I do not want to get involved in an exchange with you or with others, but conspicuously missing from your article are (a) the argument of rational choice theorists of religion that in America traditional religion is thriving and, more important, (b) even the most superficial consideration of what it means to identify a group or a movement as a religion. For those of us professionally trained in religious studies, metaphysics, ethics, and INSTITUTIONALIZATION are necessary, whether or not sufficient, criteria. The new age "movement" hardly qualifies AS a religion, in which case it can never be a rival or successor to existing religion. As Weber noted a hundred years, any movement that survives BECOMES institutionalized. Otherwise it simply dies out.
Sincerely,
Robert Segal
Prof. of Religious Studies
University of Aberdeen
From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of D G Mattichak jr [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 7:47 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
Hi All;
I just wanted to say a quick thanks to everyone that patiently answered my questions for my article Spirituality: A New Religion for a New Age. I would especially like to thank Sabina and Jesper for their help.
For those who are interested the article was published today and you can take a look at:
http://www.mootmagazine.com/2012/01/31/spirituality-the-new-religion-for-the-new-age/
Thanks
David Mattichak
The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland, No SC013683.
The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland, No SC013683.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 23:08:55 +1100
From: David Mattichak <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
Thanks Dave;
Moot is a print magazine and the style is popular so there wasn't any call for references but, as you say, to make it palatable to a general, libertine audience.
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 16:01:59 +0700
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
To: [log in to unmask]
i liked it! Written for an eclectic online magazine rather than a specialist academic journal, so the remit probably had to be 'make it accessible for an intelligent reader, but one who may not have read on this subject in any depth'. Thus not scope within word limit for a huge coverage of every single technical debate. It will encourage people to think and explore the subjects raised, which is definitely a great thing. Would have liked to see a few general links to further reading or references, which would help people explore further- or maybe there are embedded hyperlinks in the text that my crappy old screen doesn't show well enough, in any case - nice one
Dave E
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Segal, Professor Robert A. <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Feb. 1
Dear David,
I'd never heard of MOOT MAGAZINE till now.
I just perused your well-written article, which I recognize is directed to a popular rather than an academic audience. I do not want to get involved in an exchange with you or with others, but conspicuously missing from your article are (a) the argument of rational choice theorists of religion that in America traditional religion is thriving and, more important, (b) even the most superficial consideration of what it means to identify a group or a movement as a religion. For those of us professionally trained in religious studies, metaphysics, ethics, and INSTITUTIONALIZATION are necessary, whether or not sufficient, criteria. The new age "movement" hardly qualifies AS a religion, in which case it can never be a rival or successor to existing religion. As Weber noted a hundred years, any movement that survives BECOMES institutionalized. Otherwise it simply dies out.
Sincerely,
Robert Segal
Prof. of Religious Studies
University of Aberdeen
From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of D G Mattichak jr [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 7:47 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
Hi All;
I just wanted to say a quick thanks to everyone that patiently answered my questions for my article Spirituality: A New Religion for a New Age. I would especially like to thank Sabina and Jesper for their help.
For those who are interested the article was published today and you can take a look at:
http://www.mootmagazine.com/2012/01/31/spirituality-the-new-religion-for-the-new-age/
Thanks
David Mattichak
The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland, No SC013683.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 12:16:22 +0000
From: "Segal, Professor Robert A." <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
Feb. 1
Dear Nick,
Many thanks for yours. I do realize that some take New Age much farther back than the last few decades and that, when so taken, it does taken institutional form. My commonsensical point, which goes back to Weber: the groups you mention are still with us because they are organized.
For, especially, intellectual origins, I rely on Wouter Hanegraaff's NEW AGE RELIGION AND WESTERN CULTURE, which I was actually asked to referee for the publisher. If it has been superseded since its appearance in 1996, I just don't know by what.
Best wishes,
Robert
PS One can get carried away with ever earlier beginnings. William Barrett takes existentialism back to Augustine!
________________________________________
From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nicholas Campion [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:47 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
Hi Robert,
You raise excellent points, but can I suggest that New Age culture was
institutionalized a long time ago in the Theosophical Society, followed by
its many Steiner-esque and Baileyite offshoots. One could add to this a host
of other institutions, such as The Wrekin Trust, and the outfits run by such
figures as Elizabeth Clare Prophet and Benjamin Creme. I'd certainly add the
Raelians, and we might want to begin the list with the Swedenborgian New
Church. There is no single institution but, surely, exactly like
Christianity, a proliferation of competing institutions.
(By the way, I would see the origins of the modern New Age 'movement' in the
late 18th century).
What do you think?
Nick
-----Original Message-----
From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Segal, Professor
Robert A.
Sent: 01 February 2012 08:35
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Thanks to everyone from the list who
helped
Feb. 1
Dear David,
I'd never heard of MOOT MAGAZINE till now.
I just perused your well-written article, which I recognize is directed to a
popular rather than an academic audience. I do not want to get involved in
an exchange with you or with others, but conspicuously missing from your
article are (a) the argument of rational choice theorists of religion that
in America traditional religion is thriving and, more important, (b) even
the most superficial consideration of what it means to identify a group or a
movement as a religion. For those of us professionally trained in
religious studies, metaphysics, ethics, and INSTITUTIONALIZATION are
necessary, whether or not sufficient, criteria. The new age "movement"
hardly qualifies AS a religion, in which case it can never be a rival or
successor to existing religion. As Weber noted a hundred years, any
movement that survives BECOMES institutionalized. Otherwise it simply dies
out.
Sincerely,
Robert Segal
Prof. of Religious Studies
University of Aberdeen
From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic
[[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of D G Mattichak jr
[[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 7:47 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
Hi All;
I just wanted to say a quick thanks to everyone that patiently answered my
questions for my article Spirituality: A New Religion for a New Age. I would
especially like to thank Sabina and Jesper for their help.
For those who are interested the article was published today and you can
take a look at:
http://www.mootmagazine.com/2012/01/31/spirituality-the-new-religion-for-the
-new-age/
Thanks
David Mattichak
The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland, No SC013683.
The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland, No SC013683.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 12:20:42 -0000
From: Nicholas Campion <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
Dear Robert,
Glad to hear you reviewed Hanegraaff, who is indeed the last word, so far,
although I tend to class him as a triumvirate with Paul Heelas and Michael
York, as their books all appeared around the same time.
All the best,
Nick
-----Original Message-----
From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic
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Robert A.
Sent: 01 February 2012 12:16
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Thanks to everyone from the list who
helped
Feb. 1
Dear Nick,
Many thanks for yours. I do realize that some take New Age much farther
back than the last few decades and that, when so taken, it does taken
institutional form. My commonsensical point, which goes back to Weber:
the groups you mention are still with us because they are organized.
For, especially, intellectual origins, I rely on Wouter Hanegraaff's NEW AGE
RELIGION AND WESTERN CULTURE, which I was actually asked to referee for the
publisher. If it has been superseded since its appearance in 1996, I just
don't know by what.
Best wishes,
Robert
PS One can get carried away with ever earlier beginnings. William Barrett
takes existentialism back to Augustine!
________________________________________
From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic
[[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nicholas Campion
[[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 9:47 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Thanks to everyone from the list who
helped
Hi Robert,
You raise excellent points, but can I suggest that New Age culture was
institutionalized a long time ago in the Theosophical Society, followed by
its many Steiner-esque and Baileyite offshoots. One could add to this a host
of other institutions, such as The Wrekin Trust, and the outfits run by such
figures as Elizabeth Clare Prophet and Benjamin Creme. I'd certainly add the
Raelians, and we might want to begin the list with the Swedenborgian New
Church. There is no single institution but, surely, exactly like
Christianity, a proliferation of competing institutions.
(By the way, I would see the origins of the modern New Age 'movement' in the
late 18th century).
What do you think?
Nick
-----Original Message-----
From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Segal, Professor
Robert A.
Sent: 01 February 2012 08:35
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Thanks to everyone from the list who
helped
Feb. 1
Dear David,
I'd never heard of MOOT MAGAZINE till now.
I just perused your well-written article, which I recognize is directed to a
popular rather than an academic audience. I do not want to get involved in
an exchange with you or with others, but conspicuously missing from your
article are (a) the argument of rational choice theorists of religion that
in America traditional religion is thriving and, more important, (b) even
the most superficial consideration of what it means to identify a group or a
movement as a religion. For those of us professionally trained in
religious studies, metaphysics, ethics, and INSTITUTIONALIZATION are
necessary, whether or not sufficient, criteria. The new age "movement"
hardly qualifies AS a religion, in which case it can never be a rival or
successor to existing religion. As Weber noted a hundred years, any
movement that survives BECOMES institutionalized. Otherwise it simply dies
out.
Sincerely,
Robert Segal
Prof. of Religious Studies
University of Aberdeen
From: Society for The Academic Study of Magic
[[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of D G Mattichak jr
[[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 7:47 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
Hi All;
I just wanted to say a quick thanks to everyone that patiently answered my
questions for my article Spirituality: A New Religion for a New Age. I would
especially like to thank Sabina and Jesper for their help.
For those who are interested the article was published today and you can
take a look at:
http://www.mootmagazine.com/2012/01/31/spirituality-the-new-religion-for-the
-new-age/
Thanks
David Mattichak
The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland, No SC013683.
The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland, No SC013683.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 08:58:28 -0800
From: Samuel Wagar <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
You raise excellent points, but can I suggest that New Age culture was
institutionalized a long time ago
While I'm certainly not going to diss institutions, as a founding member of
a small church, the vitality of a religion (or any other social structure)
comes from the movement surrounding the institutions. When a back and forth
exchange happens on the popular culture level between the various
institutions and the movement surrounding and sustaining them, both are
healthy, when one or the other comes to be too dominant, both falter. Those
involved in institutions tend to believe they own the religion or the
movement, while those principally involved in the amorphous movement don't
see the value of social capital imbedded in long-last impersonal structures,
policies and procedures.
Best,
Sam Wagar
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 17:01:44 +0000
From: "Segal, Professor Robert A." <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
Feb. 1
Dear Sam,
Thanks for your comment. I'd not realized that the New Age movement even considers itself instititutionalized since the most common distinction drawn with traditional religion--or even, as is put, with religion per se--is the absence of institutiionalization, which I find unrealistic.
Certainly institututions can be rigid and dogmatic. I was merely saying that, whether good or bad, institutionalization is necessary for a movement of any kind to survive.
Weber introduces the notion of the institutionalization of charisma--an attempt to keep the religion going while preserving the original character of it.
Best,
Robert
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Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 4:58 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
You raise excellent points, but can I suggest that New Age culture was
institutionalized a long time ago
While I'm certainly not going to diss institutions, as a founding member of
a small church, the vitality of a religion (or any other social structure)
comes from the movement surrounding the institutions. When a back and forth
exchange happens on the popular culture level between the various
institutions and the movement surrounding and sustaining them, both are
healthy, when one or the other comes to be too dominant, both falter. Those
involved in institutions tend to believe they own the religion or the
movement, while those principally involved in the amorphous movement don't
see the value of social capital imbedded in long-last impersonal structures,
policies and procedures.
Best,
Sam Wagar
The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland, No SC013683.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 12:56:17 -0800
From: Ted Hand <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Thanks to everyone from the list who helped
Hey Robert,
(or anyone else who's interested...)
Have you seen Hereward Tilton's recent talk (video and pdf available)
which criticizes Hanegraaff's critique of "religionist" approaches to
esotericism?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW5XRqBvka4
http://phoenixrising.org.gr/wp-content/upload/PRA%20session%20programme.pdf
http://phoenixrising.org.gr/en/events/past-events/3711-2/#.Tymmx4Hnnt9
I'm not sure if he's got an adequate reply, and I'd be interested to hear
what
you think about the rest of the papers from the session. I'm beginning to
despair of all this theory of esotericism confusion.
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Segal, Professor Robert A. <
[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Feb. 1
Dear Sam,
Thanks for your comment. I'd not realized that the New Age movement even
considers itself instititutionalized since the most common distinction
drawn with traditional religion--or even, as is put, with religion per
se--is the absence of institutiionalization, which I find unrealistic.
Certainly institututions can be rigid and dogmatic. I was merely saying
that, whether good or bad, institutionalization is necessary for a movement
of any kind to survive.
Weber introduces the notion of the institutionalization of charisma--an
attempt to keep the religion going while preserving the original character
of it.
Best,
Robert
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Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] Thanks to everyone from the list who
helped
You raise excellent points, but can I suggest that New Age culture was
institutionalized a long time ago
While I'm certainly not going to diss institutions, as a founding member of
a small church, the vitality of a religion (or any other social structure)
comes from the movement surrounding the institutions. When a back and forth
exchange happens on the popular culture level between the various
institutions and the movement surrounding and sustaining them, both are
healthy, when one or the other comes to be too dominant, both falter. Those
involved in institutions tend to believe they own the religion or the
movement, while those principally involved in the amorphous movement don't
see the value of social capital imbedded in long-last impersonal
structures,
policies and procedures.
Best,
Sam Wagar
The University of Aberdeen is a charity registered in Scotland, No
SC013683.
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Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 10:10:22 +1100
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Subject: The Fourth Israeli Conference for the Study of Contemporary Spiritualities (4th ICSCS)
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Subject: The Fourth Israeli Conference for the Study of Contemporary Spiritualities (4th ICSCS)
Dear Prof. Barker,
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Dear Scholar,
We are happy and excited to send you the program and registration form for The Fourth Israeli Conference for the Study of Contemporary Spiritualities (4th ICSCS).
As you'll see browsing through the conference program, this year we have a two-days conference: Monday (19.03.12) will be dedicated to Pre-conference Workshops, and Tuesday (20.03.12) will include parallel Symposia, in a similar format of previous conferences. Both days will also include plenary sessions.
This year the ICSCS turns markedly international. The conference will include about 100 paper presentations, dozens of them in English.
In addition, this year we are cooperating with The Israeli Network for the Academic Study of Western Esotericism (INASWE), which will hold its 2nd conference at the University of Haifa on Thursday (22.03.12). Registration for the INASWE conference is held separately for the ICSCS (see attached file).
We ask you to register in advance for the conference in order to insure your place and to help us with better organizing the conference.
Please note that participating in the Workshops day is limited to those who register in advance.
We attach a detailed description of the Workshops, the Conference Program and Registration form.
Please take a few minutes of your time and send this letter to everyone you think might be interested in the conference.
Thanks!
Prof. Ofra Mayseless, Dean of Education faculty, and Dr. Marianna Ruah-Midbar, Conference Chairpersons.
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