Jill, you're 100% right. Thanks for your words on the subject. Andrew
On 12 January 2012 13:43, Jill Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I couldn't agree more, Andrew, and that was part of the gist of my
> as-yet unpublished blogpost. UNSW Press is a university press,
> therefore ... as you said. Sure, the author/editor needs to be able do
> their thing but a publisher/commissioning editor also has a
> responsibility, esp in a so-called academic publishing house.
> Otherwise, self-publish. It's not so hard to do these days. Indeed, it
> has been suggested that one of the editors did sink a lot of his own
> cash into it, therefore, it becomes a kind of self-funded enterprise.
>
> If they'd called it Geoff and Bob's Big Book of Oz Poetry it may not
> be an issue. But it's making big claims. Some of us may know the
> politics, the ins n outs, but those not close to all that, or not
> innerested may, possibly, assume this is the latest word on all that's
> good in Aussie poetry because of its provenance, etc.
>
> Some unkind people have dubbed it Gray and Lemon. Others have said you
> could make a great anthology out of many left out of this one. Maybe
> someone will. I dunno - one of the other probs is that it's so
> blinkin' big and heavy, over a 100 pages but only about 170 poets
> (since 1788?). Neither yr bang for buck nor something I could see
> teachers realistically encouraging students to lug around in their
> already overloaded backpacks, let alone all the contention abt who's
> in or out. Well, I won't be setting it or referring to it as it's no
> use. I'd rather them read single vols or, hey, my anthology, which is
> lighter in all senses, indeed positively festive.
>
> Cheers,
> Jill
>
> ________________________ Jill Jones www.jilljones.com.au
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics"
> To:
> Cc:
> Sent:Thu, 12 Jan 2012 13:21:27 +0800
> Subject:Re: snap: two seniors
>
> But, Jill, who edits these things that are so far out of whack from
> the
> publishing company's team? Surely if they're going to put their
> moniker on
> it, they'd check out its validity. I can understand biased creative
> people
> putting out volumes of their mates, but the publisher should have
> some kind
> of 'gatekeeper' to stop this happening in the extreme - or at least
> label
> it as such in its title. (That could be fun )
>
> You get my drift?
>
> Regards from a hot Perth -
>
> Andrew
>
> On 12 January 2012 12:49, Jill Jones wrote:
>
> > Andrew,
> >
> > Sure is a terrible anth, to add to a few poor ones of recent times.
> > But this one problematic on large scale, re what kind of work not
> > included, ie not just the many of us individually not there but
> what
> > kind of many/s.
> >
> > Maybe you have caught up with Pete Minter's take on it, the
> specific
> > concern being Indigenous inclusion, here is his talk - worth a
> > look/listen, it isn't boring:
> > http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/17612651
> >
> > or Michael Farrell's comments at Jacket2:
> > https://jacket2.org/commentary/material-criticism
> >
> > I also wrote a short piece on it but it has not been published yet
> by
> > the blogger who asked me for something. If it doesn't appear, I
> will
> > post it myself.
> >
> > I could speculate on the 'politics' - some of it is clearly
> 'personal'
> > - but I'm not sure it's worth wasting time on.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > J
> >
> >
> > ________________________ Jill Jones www.jilljones.com.au
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics"
> > To:
> > Cc:
> > Sent:Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:52:01 +0800
> > Subject:Re: snap: two seniors
> >
> > Yes, that was a major omission - terrible anthology. Tom is such a
> > major
> > figure in Australian poetry that is simply shows their ignorance.
> Who
> > knows
> > why - the politics is always behind closed doors, and from here in
> > the West
> > we don't get to hear all the gossip - luckily.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > On 12 January 2012 03:23, Max Richards wrote:
> >
> > > > I never met him, but Judith, yeah, & youve caught her....
> > > >
> > > > Doug
> > >
> > > When Andrew also asked after Tom Shapcott, who is even older than
> > his wife
> > > Judith, I realised I was under- informed. Such a stalwart of
> > Australian
> > > writing, and a few years ago deprived of his voice and more by I
> > think a
> > > stroke. Caring for Tom was only part of her responsibilities as
> she
> > (when
> > > last met up with) also had a centenarian mother to see every day,
> > and also
> > > stay with as she was still in her old flat then.
> > > Dimitris was sad for Tom who doesn't appear in the latest huge
> > anthology
> > > of Australian poetry despite his many books and old reputation.
> > Ach,
> > > anthologies!
> > >
> > > Max
> > >
> > > On 11/01/2012, at 7:23 PM, Patrick McManus wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Max Wish I was a ball of energy -ah my old Vespa days P
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Good to see they're still kicking! Judith was always a ball of
> > energy.
> > > > How's Tom now?
> > > >
> > > > Andrew
> > > >
> > > > On 11 January 2012 06:37, Max Richards wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Two Seniors
> > > >>
> > > >> (Judith Rodriguez, b1936, &
> > > >> Dimitris Tsaloumas, b.1921)
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Vigorous poems she wrote -
> > > >> ditto her body language.
> > > >> She roused her students -
> > > >>
> > > >> all can be creative!
> > > >> New then to her country,
> > > >> I felt she stood for Australia..
> > > >>
> > > >> When our summer December
> > > >> party lagged without
> > > >> a bottle-opener
> > > >>
> > > >> she bit off the crown caps
> > > >> passing round the beer
> > > >> that might inspire us further.
> > > >>
> > > >> *
> > > >>
> > > >> At her house when I met
> > > >> Australia's great Greek poet,
> > > >> Dimitris Tsaloumas,
> > > >>
> > > >> of Leros and Elwood Vic,
> > > >> though I towered over him,
> > > >> his eyes burned into me
> > > >>
> > > >> as if asking was I serious enough?
> > > >> I hadn't been but might.
> > > >> His voice was intense, but kind.
> > > >>
> > > >> *
> > > >>
> > > >> Hospitalised once
> > > >> for something dire,
> > > >> when visited by me
> > > >>
> > > >> her bed was empty -
> > > >> she'd absconded
> > > >> with her drip-feed bottle
> > > >>
> > > >> to judge some urgent
> > > >> poetry competition
> > > >> for the promising young.
> > > >>
> > > >> *
> > > >>
> > > >> Celebrating his eightieth
> > > >> at a large gathering
> > > >> he'd excused himself from,
> > > >>
> > > >> she hobbled forward
> > > >> on her stick to the lectern,
> > > >> praised him with force
> > > >>
> > > >> and large gestures -
> > > >> strode back to her seat
> > > >> without her stick.
> > > >>
> > > >> Now he's ninety,
> > > >> I'm about to make my visit
> > > >> of homage to his Elwood
> > > >>
> > > >> address, its Greek-
> > > >> picture-haunted rooms,
> > > >> I'll ask: Dimitris,
> > > >>
> > > >> are you still not only
> > > >> writing your worlds
> > > >> but touring Leros on your Vespa?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Max Richards, b.1937
> > > >> Doncaster Vic
> > > >>
> > > >> p.s. DT says he now has a four-stroke Vespa, easier for him.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Andrew
> > > > http://hispirits.blogspot.com/
> > > > http://www.mullamullapress.com/QWERTY
> > > > BLUE ROSE enovel avail. at Amazon, Smashwords and
> > > > http://etextpress.com/books.htm
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Andrew
> > http://hispirits.blogspot.com/
> > http://www.mullamullapress.com/QWERTY
> > BLUE ROSE enovel avail. at Amazon, Smashwords and
> > http://etextpress.com/books.htm
> >
> >
>
> --
> Andrew
> http://hispirits.blogspot.com/
> http://www.mullamullapress.com/QWERTY
> BLUE ROSE enovel avail. at Amazon, Smashwords and
> http://etextpress.com/books.htm
>
>
--
Andrew
http://hispirits.blogspot.com/
http://www.mullamullapress.com/QWERTY
BLUE ROSE enovel avail. at Amazon, Smashwords and
http://etextpress.com/books.htm
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