thanks Ilze and Pauline too,
if is very good to be reminded of these projects, and I think it is also interesting that we haven't posted the dates of them or perhaps thought about them in a chronological time-line development sense. the very recent projects are mixed up with the decidedly older ones in our collective memories....
which makes me wonder, has television changed as much in this time period as other broadcast media have? the New Yorker magazine's cover store this week is "Can YouTube Kill Television?" I thought to myself as i picked it up, "really? again?"
it's nice to be reminded too of the Ambient.tv channel piece as that was broadcast on the closed circuit of the Great Eastern Hotel, and I think that's an interesting subset of artists tv projects - where the site of their viewing was deliberately constrained (TV Swansong attempted a similar thing I suppose by having the projects all broadcast live on a particular day, and also to predetermined locations around the country).
please do keep adding your thoughts to this list... it seems we are creating a collaborative mind map of where TV Swansong might sit in relation to a past and a future of arts broadcasting.
sarah
On 19 Jan 2012, at 13:59, Pauline van Mourik Broekman wrote:
> hi everyone,
>
> ....very interesting - thanks for all your generous info-sharing!
>
> Vis a vis this international flowering, there's also Belgian Jef Cornelis' work on the 'Ijsbreker' series of programmes - an apparently gargantuan output, both covering and giving voice more directly to artists' production. And developing some innovative formats vis a vis the TV context.
>
> http://jefcornelis.janvaneyck.nl/events.php
>
> I mention this from a position fusing complete ignorance/intrigue about the man, but figuring that it might be useful to others; if you're interested, Koen Brams, recent Director of the Jan van Eyck, and key developer of the Cornelis archiv, is introducing Jef Cornelis' work at a Showroom/Mute/Queen Mary event this week (on 2.30pm on the Saturday):
>
> http://www.theshowroom.org/programme.html?id=822
>
> I'm planning to have my ignorance obliterated :)
>
> Bests,
> Pauline.
>
>
>
> On 19/01/2012 13:45, Simon Biggs wrote:
>> Hi Sarah
>>
>> A huge topic. The first question I would ask would be "was there ever artist's TV?". I attended the Art for Television symposium at the Stedelijk back in about 1988 (maybe it was a little earlier or later) and there was a lot of excitement about it then. In the UK Channel 4, the BBC, even ITV, were commissioning artists to produce video for TV. France had Canal+, Germany Bavarian TV and Holland, Norway, Sweden all had initiatives, amongst others. The US had WGBH. However, even though I did a couple of such commissions myself, I wonder whether it really happened. I don't mean I've lost the faculty of reality testing (although that has never been one of my strong points) but that whilst we thought we were doing one thing perhaps we were doing another - and it was the artists who were working in blissful ignorance of reality. Whatever, it didn't last. The medial substrate the artists had in common is long gone, conceptually and materially, and now I'm wondering whether TV, as
> we know it, will be history...
>>
>> The number of media artists active in the pre-internet era who have migrated to the net as their primary platform for distribution (and often production, with tools like Flash, Processing and digital video allowing for rich content to be created) is a testament to the death of an artistic medium (video art) and perhaps the death of TV. I'd suggest it is within this framework you might want to ask your subsequent questions.
>>
>> best
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> On 19 Jan 2012, at 11:20, Sarah Cook wrote:
>>
>>> Hello CRUMB list
>>> as you are all eminently smart about art and technology and the history of art I have a request.
>>>
>>> There is a forthcoming publication from the Finnish Institute in London about artists' works and community television and I'm informally working with Nina Pope and Karen Guthrie to help them recontextualise their project TV Swansong. We'd like to gather some thoughts related to this project's place in history from you all, before the end of next week.
>>>
>>> At the time (2002, a decade ago) TV Swansong was billed as:
>>> "a cross-media art project which commissioned 8 new works reflecting on the current state of flux in television with idiosyncratic responses to its past, present and future." http://www.swansong.tv/
>>>
>>> Some of you might remember the exhibition I cocurated with Kathy Rae Huffman on a similar topic - http://www.broadcastyourself.net/ - for AV Festival in 2008, which included TV Swansong's archive. A question we asked with Broadcast Yourself was how did we get here, to this moment of many online platforms for dissemination of broadcast work (the end of television?) - and what initiatives did artists take before this point.
>>>
>>> So we are wondering the same thing again now: how do works which deal with the 'current state' of technology age?
>>> How are works which were once live supposed to be exist within the history of art and technology in archived form?
>>> Is television dead? Is artist's television dead? Was TV Swansong ever considered as community television, or indeed television at all (as it was webcast)?
>>> Can artists continue to contribute in their work to discussions around community television and if so, how?
>>>
>>> As this is an informal chat we welcome any and all responses, which, with your permission, we'd like to quote in the dialogues we hope to be included in the publication.
>>> You can email back offlist if you like.
>>>
>>> We've got til the end of next week... and we'll launch some regular monthly discussions on CRUMB after that.
>>>
>>> Thanks all,
>>> Sarah
>>>
>>>
>>>
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