Dear Hugh
Excellent work and the CBA is very keen to hear more as this progresses. Would you keep in touch with Jon Wright, our senior casework officer?
Many thanks.
Best wishes for a peaceful Christmas.
Gill
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records on behalf of Winfield, Hugh
Sent: Wed 21/12/2011 16:53
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Subject: Re: Local Listing - or my assets better than yours...
Hello All,
Sorry to drag this subject back up from the depths again, but some of you may be interested in this:
http://www.nelincs.gov.uk/meetings/committee/24/meeting/1734
These are the document associated with our most recent Planning Committee where two Immediate Article 4s were approved to remove permitted development rights for demolition; one on a single (draft) Locally Listed building and another on a historic area containing listed buildings and draft locally listed buildings. The committee approved the articles and the notices will be out tomorrow.
Cheers,
Hugh
Hugh Winfield
Archaeologist and Historic Environment Record Officer
Development Management
Origin One, Origin Way
Europarc, Grimsby
North East Lincolnshire
DN37 9TZ
Tel: (01472) 32 3586 Fax: (01472) 32 4216
Access maps of the Archaeological and Historic sites, buildings and monuments in North East Lincolnshire here: http://isharemaps.nelincs.gov.uk/mynelc.aspx
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pete Boland (Historic_Env)
Sent: 28 April 2011 14:56
To: Winfield, Hugh
Subject: Re: Local Listing - or my assets better than yours...
Hello,
I've been watching the Local List discussions with interest and puzzling somewhat over how best to respond. I think the best way is to try and refocus the debate onto what we are actually trying to achieve relative to the conservation of the whole of the historic environment. In Dudley we have actively operated a Local List since 1990 but it is only one (albeit useful) strand of an overarching approach to protecting the local historic environment based upon the formulation of strong development plan policies designed overall to preserve local distinctiveness.
Given that it's sort of Friday afternoon and you might anyway want something to read tomorrow in lieu of catching wedding fever I've cobbled together below an edited extract from our current development Strategy SPD that describes how we are approaching local designation in the context of our LDF and you will see that it is an undoubtedly hierarchical approach. However, in my view that just gives us more bespoke tools to do the job and thanks to PPS 5 we will still be assessing "significance" for all Heritage Assets (which by the way is why we are truly stuck with that terminolgy when dealing with planning proposals) at the point that they are affected by potential development (and unless we've already defined significance in some way we'll effectively be doing it from scratch every time). All of the various local designations will have bespoke planning policies building on those in our existing but soon to be superceded UDP. They will also all be recorded within the HER for planning control purposes and I don't personally perceive any great difficulty with that. So if you have the health and strength read on...............
6 Abridged Historic Environment Chapter iro Public Consultation draft of Dudley
Development Strategy DPD- puts Dudley MBC approaches to Local Listing in a wider context.
6.1 The DPD will provide details and policies on the promotion, protection and enhancement of local distinctiveness including the identification of places, buildings and localities of special quality and historic character, covering the whole range of heritage assets across the Borough. In order to help achieve this historic characterisation work will be carried out and individual areas will be analysed to a level of detail proportionate to the degree of development pressure and the pace of change likely to affect them, largely as predicated by the policies and proposals within the Black Country Joint Core Strategy and the Dudley LDF.
National and Local Planning Policies and Approaches
6.2 In a national context the Government, English Heritage and the Heritage Sector generally have been taking forward a process of Heritage Protection Review and Reform. This is based upon the recognition that conservation and management through the planning system of the whole historic environment and its component heritage assets is needed, rather than just focusing on those assets that have been formally designated.
This recently culminated in the publication of Planning Policy Statement 5, Planning for the Historic Environment (March 2010) which states that:
"At a local level, plans should consider the qualities and local distinctiveness of the historic environment and how these can contribute to the development of the spatial vision in the local development framework core strategy. Heritage assets can be used to ensure continued sustainability of an area and promote a sense of place. Plans at a local level are likely to consider investment in and enhancement of historic places, including the public realm, in more detail. They should include consideration of how best to conserve individual, groups or types of heritage assets that are most at risk of loss through neglect, decay or other threats".
PPS 5 defines a heritage asset as:
"A building, monument, site, place, area or landscape positively identified as having a degree of significance meriting consideration in planning decisions. Heritage assets are the valued components of the historic environment. They include designated heritage assets (as defined in this PPS) and assets identified by the local planning authority during the process of decision- making or through the plan-making process (including local listing)".
Designated heritage assets are covered by relevant legislation and comprise, World Heritage Sites, Scheduled Monuments, Statutorily Listed Buildings, Protected Wreck Sites, Registered Parks and Gardens, Registered Battlefields and Conservation Areas.
6.3 At a Regional level the Black Country Core strategy Policy ENV2: Historic Character and Local Distinctiveness requires that:
"All development should aim to protect and promote the special qualities, historic character and local distinctiveness of the Black Country in order to help maintain its cultural identity and strong sense of place. Development proposals will be required to preserve and, where appropriate, enhance local character and those aspects of the historic environment together with their settings which are recognised as being of special historic, archaeological, architectural, landscape or townscape quality".
Policy ENV2 goes on to state that:
"In addition to statutorily designated and protected heritage assets particular attention should be paid to the preservation and enhancement of:
* Locally listed historic buildings and archaeological sites;
* Historic parks and gardens including their settings;
* Locally designated special landscape areas and other heritage based site allocations".
Historic Characterisation- defining Local Distinctiveness and identifying Heritage Assets.
6.4 The Core Strategy notes at paragraph 6.10 that considerable progress has already been made towards achieving a fuller analysis and understanding of local character and distinctiveness through using Historic Landscape Characterisation (HLC) techniques. A Black Country wide HLC study is available that covers the whole of Dudley Borough at a relatively broad level of detail, identifying a wide range of locally distinctive character elements. This work is complemented by the Dudley Historic Environment SPD that is underpinned by townscape and landscape characterisation that is specific to Dudley and identifies, although still in a "broad brush" manner, locally distinctive areas of historic character and numerous types of heritage asset. Dudley also maintains a Historic Environment Record (HER) a GIS-linked database that contains details of all currently known heritage assets in the Borough whether they be historic buildings, sites or monuments.
Current state of knowledge about the Historic Environment and potential ways forward
6.5 The HER is clearly a valuable source of data in relation to those individual heritage assets known of to date and the broad brush characterisation studies provide an underpinning of understanding in relation to local distinctiveness generally and a broad contextual base upon which to build. However, even in combination they do not provide the level of detail required to allow the precise identification of areas of particular archaeological or historic interest or to capture the full range of significant heritage assets that are clearly present in different parts of the Borough but have yet to be formally identified and assessed (for eg Local Listing). There is a need, therefore, for further detailed urban HLC to be undertaken in order to identify areas of particular archaeological, townscape and landscape value.
Utilising the results of Historic Characterisation Surveys
6.9 The results of Intensive Historic Characterisation can be used by strategic planners, urban designers, intending developers and others to effect a high degree of certainty as regards historic environment constraints and opportunities within any area surveyed to such a level of detail. The data collected will allow proactive conservation management and inform sustainable enhancement and regeneration strategies, including "regeneration through conservation", that respect and reinforce local distinctiveness, thereby assisting in positive place making and promoting a sense of place.
Without giving such a degree of site specific certainty the results of both extensive and more "light touch" historic characterisation such as is being proposed will still, however, be sufficient to inform conservation and redevelopment strategies and to alert individual developers at an early stage to historic environment issues that may affect their proposed development site.
As appropriate, developers themselves may then be required to provide further information as part of detailed development proposals, for example through commissioning site specific archaeological desk based and historic buildings impact assessments. In this way, as is required by both the Core Strategy and PPS 5, the content of Design and Access Statements can be properly informed. It should be possible as a result to develop design proposals that are properly responsive to the need to respect and reinforce local distinctiveness and equally to properly assess the impact of new development upon any affected heritage assets and their setting and avoid harm.
All of this work will also input to the Urban Design Framework for the Borough in order to further ensure a focus on local distinctiveness guides new development, thus helping to maintain the character and sense of place of a particular area.
Local Historic Environment Designations arising from Historic Characterisation
· Conservation Areas
· Areas of High Historic Townscape Value
· Areas of High Historic Landscape Value
· Designed Landscapes of High Historic Value (Eg Parks, Cemeteries)
· Buildings of local architectural or historic interest (Local List) - NB I would agree could perhaps include archaeological sites that are clearly extant and have evident amenity value.
· Archaeological Priority Areas (These are effectively "archaeology alert areas")
Additional Evidence required
Intensive Historic Characterisation/Area Appraisal (Area Action Plan Areas)
Extensive Historic Characterisation/Area Appraisal (Regeneration Corridor Areas)
"Light Touch" Historic Characterisation/Area Appraisal (Borough wide)
Conservation Area Appraisals and Article 4 Surveys
Shopfront Design Guidance SPD
Archaeological Desk Based and Historic Buildings Impact Assessment and Field Evaluation
Buildings at Risk Survey
Update of Canals Strategy
Local List Review/SPD
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nick Boldrini
Sent: 28 April 2011 12:10
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Local Listing - or my assets better than yours...
HI thanks Peter/Hugh for the replies
I am assuming that this means you are both happy with the idea of grading sites in this way - which is what I was more interested in rather than how you might do it.
As I said, this is quite a significant change, and I have reservations with it. I am interested to know if anyone else has any similar reservations, or if not why not?
Part of my reservation is highlighted by Hughs later post - if the old lists are just carried across and become the New list, then all Locally Listed buildings will automatically have a higher status than any archaeology, which is something I find concerning. Yes archaeology can be added later, but in the short term, the impression might easily be formed that buildings are more important than archaeology, and first impressions last.
This perhaps could be solved by calling the Local List something different - to emphasise the break from the old system.
best wishes
Nick Boldrini
Historic Environment Record Officer
Durham County Council
Tel: 0191 3708840
Fax: 0191 3708897
From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Peter Rowe
Sent: 28 April 2011 09:50
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Subject: Re: Local Listing - or my assets better than yours...
Hi Nick/Hugh
Regarding local list archaeological sites, the approach I would take is to concentrate on stuff you would wish to see preserved in situ if threatened by development. If you would be happy to see something preserved by record then it probably doesn't need to go on the local list. Like Hugh I would start with urban areas and villages that are likely to be more at risk. For our area there would be a lot of industrial stuff (furnace bases etc). The local lists I have seen (both publicly and officer nominated) haven't tended to pick up on military buildings such as pillboxes which we might try to address.
Peter
Peter Rowe
Sites and Monuments Officer
Tees Archaeology
Sir William Gray House
Clarence Road
Hartlepool
TS24 8BT
Direct Dial: 01429 523458
Fax: 01429 523477
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Winfield, Hugh
Sent: 27 April 2011 14:44
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Local Listing - or my assets better than yours...
Nick,
The way that I'm going to use it for Archaeology (provided the elected members are happy to do it) is to locally list anything that is identifiable and has a definable extent - what is likely to be covered by this is monuments such as Moats, DMVs with identifiable building platforms and holloways, barrows with associated findspots, sites of demolished medieval churches, a former medieval quayside in the urban area part of which was found during excavations in the 80s etc.
Going at it this way doesn't actually amount to many monuments, particularly as monuments in the rural realm do not need to be on the list quite as much as the urban/suburban ones so you don't have to make sure that you have caught everything. My main aim is to get monuments which would slip past scheduling, such as definable urban sites. I will be working purely from the HER, mapping and a site visit - documentary research probably isn't necessary for local designation and would extend the project well past my intended finishing date.
My working criteria, which needs drafting properly, is:
The monument is identifiable, definable in extent and represents an entire, or good proportion of, it's original extent, and is likely to retain well preserved deposits (upstanding earthworks, deeply buried etc) and relates to an important phase of development or occupation.
Hugh
Hugh Winfield
Archaeologist and Historic Environment Record Officer
Development Management
Origin Two, Origin Way
Europarc, Grimsby
North East Lincolnshire
DN37 9TZ
Tel: (01472) 32 3586 Fax: (01472) 32 4216
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nick Boldrini
Sent: 27 April 2011 09:54
To: Winfield, Hugh
Subject: Local Listing - or my assets better than yours...
Hi folks
sorry to drag this up again (actually no I'm not - I enjoy a good debate) but I have been working through a response to the consultation on Local Listing, and have some more thoughts/comments I would appreciate peoples view on.
Having read through this again, there are a couple of important points that appear to me to come out of this
1) The Old Local List system is very different from what is proposed. The old Local List was (in my view) simply an SMR for Buildings, and could be safely included as records in an HER with no significant changes.
2) The New local list is introducing a hierarchal structure into the recording of all non-designated historic assets.
This second point is quite a significant change to how non-designated historic assets have been recorded in the past. Whilst people may be used to it in relation to Listed Buildings, the new local list is applying this more widely to all Heritage Assets.
This could have very important implications for how we record stuff in HER's, and also will have a big impact on how they are dealt with in planning (which seems slightly odd, as the only place Local Listing is mentioned in PPS5 is the glossary, in passing).
With that in mind, I would be interested to know if people think it is a good thing to rate Heritage Assets?
To pre-empt some replies, I think it is worth mentioning how I have understood the old system and the new system, to see if people agree.
If I understand right, local Listing used to be a list of Buildings of Local Interest (however defined) deemed worthy of at least attempting to protect.
So the Hierarchy could look like this:
Listed Buildings
Local List
All other buildings
Correct?
If so, I would parallel this to archaeology which had a hierarchy like this:
Scheduled Monuments
Known Archaeology (for simplicity, lets say in the SMR)
All Archaeology (ie including unknown archaeology)
The main difference between those two systems being that All Archaeology is not known (ie recorded) but all buildings are.
If that's right, then the Local List and the SMR were broadly at the same level in terms of status - ie both were a list of things potentially worthy of protection, but which had no formal status other than being on a list or record of known things potentially worthy of protection - is that right?
Within Local Lists and SMR's there were no real distinctions - your in the SMR or not, your on the List or not. Any decisions about relative importance of different SMR/local List sites would be hammered out in the Planning process (effectively).
I would suggest the move from SMR to HER would mean that an HER should ideally be an amalgam of everything on the Local List and the SMR as well as all designated sites (how far that has been achieved is open to question, but that's the aim). It would include buildings of interest as well as all other know Heritage Assets.
With that in mind, then the new Local List proposals look something like this in terms of levels of protection/status
Designated sites (LB, SM etc)
Local Listed Sites
Other HER Sites
Unknown/unrecognised/unrecorded Heritage assets
I think I have got that right, and would be interested to know what people think of this proposed hierarchy, especially as in many cases Heritage Assets may not make it onto the Local List for technical reasons (ie we don't know how important they are through lack of information) not because they have been actively not selected for it.
What I mean is that whilst choosing a sub set of buildings is possible, because you can test it against the whole set of buildings to see if it the criteria are valid, this is less easy for something which includes an unknown amount of unknown information (ie archaeology). It is this aspect which concerns me about the proposals. Especially as what sits at that level could well vary between Local List areas (which could all be part of one HER area).
Any thoughts appreciated
cheers
best wishes
Nick Boldrini
Historic Environment Record Officer
Durham County Council
Tel: 0191 3708840
Fax: 0191 3708897
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