Dear Christiopher,
I agree. If you had been at the actual workshop meetings, which were highly
dramatic, you would have felt some kind of scientific history was being
made. It's clear, if we are correct, that this is the first clear report
that shows strong evidence for a major, climate change related, geophysical
event, that will affect very directly, and very quickly, he Human race.
Regards Graham
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From: "Christopher Shaw" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: "Shock as retreat of Arctic sea ice releases deadly greenhouse
gas"
> Dear all
>
> Can I say what a privilege it has been to follow this discussion, to see
> the
> contestation of the knowledge production process on this so vital and so
> complex topic play out before my eyes.
>
> There is an academic paper in this exchange of ideas, and the implications
> for the communication of science. Fascinating.
>
> Chris
>
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> Subject: Re: "Shock as retreat of Arctic sea ice releases deadly
> greenhouse
> gas"
>
> dear oliver, I agree. The thing that frightens Me is that although we
> stand
> by our work, on the methane report, and we think it will lead to an
> eventual
>
> serious situation, we have no certainty that in the short term, it will
> not
> lead to savage "Whipsaw" events, where we alternately freeze, and bake,
> over
>
> peiods that might be quite short. Also, some unknown mechanism, (There are
> plenty still out there) might allow the whole thing to "Lock" into an ice
> age, at a certainpoint.
>
> It's looking, (Personal opinion) as idf we might face a choice, death by
> ice, or by fire.
> Graham Ennis
>
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> From: "Oliver Tickell" <[log in to unmask]>
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 11:23 AM
> Subject: Re: "Shock as retreat of Arctic sea ice releases deadly
> greenhouse
> gas"
>
>
>> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/123/3207/1061.full.pdf
>>
>> According to this paper by Ewing and Dunn, from 1956, the effect of the
>> melting of the Arctic Ocean could be to increase glaciation as a result
>> of the additional water in the Arctic atmosphere leading to additional
>> snowfall, leading on to Ice Age development.
>>
>> GCMs have been unable to model the flip to Ice Age and it may be that
>> this
>
>> is precisely because they are looking at the Arctic getting colder, when
>> in fact stage one if for the Arctic to get warmer.
>>
>> Of course this does not mean we should not be concerned at Arctic
>> warming.
>
>> We humans do not very much need an Ice Age right now.
>>
>> Oliver.
>>
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