Thanks John Paul, I have not seen your email on the mailing list, but 
will try copying my reply to the list in case this helps to make it 
available to others.

I am aware of your Moodle plugin and it looks like you have implemented 
functionality which is not yet supported by LTI (such as synchronising 
group memberships), so the LTI integration will probably not be useful 
for you.  I appreciate the feedback about support for assessments in 
multiple modules - sounds like we agree about this and how to workaround 
it when it is needed.

If the new version is adopted by the WebPA community and you wish to use 
your module in conjunction with it, then I suspect there will be updates 
required because of the new database structure and change in how roles 
are implemented.  But I doubt there is anything about the functionality 
of WebPA which has changed and would prevent it from continuing to work 
in the same way as currently written.  Have you made any changes to the 
WebPA code to implement your module?

I see that LTI support has been announced as being in the core of Module 
from version 2.2 (expected 1 December) though it does not look as though 
this will include support for any of the extensions (such as 
memberships) and so use of the existing Basic LTI plugin may still be 
needed for anyone wanting to connect tools using LTI.

Stephen

On 08/11/2011 22:35, John Paul Posada wrote:
> Hi Stephen,
>
> I'm resending the message below directly to you because I don't think it
> got through the WebPA mailing list for some reason:
>
>     Hi all,
>
>     Here at UNSW we've done much of the integration work already for
>     WebPA to function with Moodle 1.9 which you can see demonstrated in
>     the following Prezi:
>
>     http://prezi.com/urx26_tezjwl/webpa-moodle-integration-part-ii/
>
>     Recently we've upgraded to Moodle 2 and have had to upgrade our
>     WebPA plugin. The main difference this time is the fact that we have
>     a private vendor (Netspot) hosting our instance of Moodle 2 which
>     have their own QA, and approval process for plugins. After a months
>     work our plugin was finally approved a few weeks ago and is now
>     allowing the following WebPA integration with Moodle 2:
>
>>     a. single sign-on from the VLE which automatic creation of the
>>     user account and module if they do not already exist; role being
>>     assigned based on the role within the VLE course;
>>
>>     b. tutors may update WebPA with the current list of enrolments for
>>     the VLE course;
>>
>>     c. marks awarded to students may be pushed back into the grade
>>     book within the VLE;
>
>     Additionally, groupings from Moodle are automatically created into
>     collections in WebPA eliminating any manual group creation in WebPA
>     if it has already been done in Moodle.
>
>     We did not implement the following functionality because I don't
>     believe we will have any scenarios where this would be needed:
>
>>     d. students from different courses (including courses in different
>>     VLEs) could be combined to work together in the same module.
>
>     If different courses are planning to work together in group projects
>     we would have a combined course in our VLE Moodle.
>
>     We will be making the Moodle 2 WebPA Plugin available soon and I'll
>     be sure to notify you all via this mailing list.
>
>     I mention this because I'd like to make sure any changes done to
>     WebPA take into account this plugin so as to avoid any loss in
>     functionality.
>
>     Cheers,
>     John Paul
>
>
>     John Paul Posada
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> I've also updated the Prezi tutorial to the Moodle 2 version of our
> WebPA Plugin:
>
> http://prezi.com/pyvbrpwdc07z/moodle-2-webpa-activity-tutorial/
>
>
> Cheers,
> John Paul
>
>
> On 03/11/2011, at 9:27 PM, Stephen P Vickers wrote:
>
>> As I hope most of you are aware, we are using WebPA as a case study in
>> the JISC-funded ceLTIc project which is looking at implementations of
>> the IMS Learning Tools Interoperability (LTI) specification. As part
>> of the work to integrate WebPA more closely with VLEs using LTI, I am
>> preparing an updated version of WebPA which incorporates the following
>> changes:
>>
>> 1. Assessments belong to modules and not to users, so that all tutors
>> on a module can view and edit them.
>>
>> 2. Users are assigned a role for each module so that they can be both
>> tutors and students (though not on the same module).
>>
>> 3. Tutors can have some admin rights to manage users on their modules;
>> for example, adding and deleting students and tutors, and produce reports.
>>
>> The main visual change will be the addition of a "Change module"
>> option and the name of the currently selected module appearing in the
>> header. In this way tutors (and students and admins) can change from
>> viewing one module to select another. The currently selected module
>> will be used when viewing assessments, collections, and administering
>> users. This module will be remembered for when a user logs out and
>> back in, so they always return to the same place.
>>
>> This new version of WebPA is currently being tested (anyone interested
>> in joining this activity would be very welcome to do so - just contact
>> me). One issue which I am interested in feedback on, is the feature of
>> the existing WebPA which allowed groups to be created with students
>> from more than one module. This facility adds the complication of how
>> to handle situations when the same student is enrolled in more than
>> one of the selected modules; for example:
>> - should they only be included once?
>> - if only included once, which one should be used (may be important if
>> marks are being reported)?
>> - if only included once and they are unenrolled from one module,
>> should they remain in the group based on the remaining enrolment(s)?
>> - should their mark apply to all of the modules in which they are
>> enrolled?
>> Such issues do not matter as much when WebPA is operated as a separate
>> system, but if we seek to offer an option to more tightly integrate it
>> with a VLE, then they become more relevant. Support for LTI, for
>> example, will allow the following functionality to be incorporated:
>>
>> a. single sign-on from the VLE which automatic creation of the user
>> account and module if they do not already exist; role being assigned
>> based on the role within the VLE course;
>>
>> b. tutors may update WebPA with the current list of enrolments for the
>> VLE course;
>>
>> c. marks awarded to students may be pushed back into the grade book
>> within the VLE;
>>
>> d. students from different courses (including courses in different
>> VLEs) could be combined to work together in the same module.
>>
>> (Note that b and c are made possible by extensions to Basic LTI which
>> are available for many/most VLEs including Moodle, Learn 9 and WebCT.
>> These are expected to be part of the formal LTI specification in
>> future releases. The addition of LTI support will not remove the
>> ability to log in directly as at present.)
>>
>> So the question I would appreciate feedback on is: do you use the
>> facility for creating groups based on students from more than one
>> module and, if so, how important is it to you?
>>
>> Clearly there are workarounds if this facility was not available, such
>> as creating a new module using the combined list of enrolments, or
>> using LTI to enrol users from different courses into the same WebPA
>> module. So to complete this work it would be very helpful to know
>> whether this facility should be retained, or not.
>>
>> Thanks for reading this far!
>>
>> Stephen
>> www.celtic-project.org <http://www.celtic-project.org>

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