Dear Scott, Andrew, Katherine, Jim, harry, Anne and all,
This is some of the most interesting reading I have done for a while! Thanks!! I am working on Bacchus in another context and clearly need to augment the classics section. Thanks for all if these great references, including to of isis and Osiris which I am teaching next semester. When I get there, I'll have to figure out how to cite this conversation!
Yours,
Susanne
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On Nov 13, 2011, at 5:33 PM, "James C. Nohrnberg" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I would suppose that the presence of Bacchus in Spenser's Book V is the result of a kind of syncretism, depending on the idea that Bacchus was or meant the sun and, furthermore, was another name for Osiris (after Herodotus, Hist. II.42). A small chunk of Osiris lore therefore ends up in Comes'/Conti's extended article about Bacchus (Myth. V.13). The gates of Bacchus in the East correspond to those of Hercules in the West, and these make both figures conquerers or empire-builders. Conquest, for better or worse, is associated with Justice in Book V, because the conquerer is identified as a bringer of civilization (and agricultural arts) and a beneficiary of humankind. The solar & Huerculean course of justice through a zodiac of episodes provides one possible key to the legend & career of Artegall, this paradigm starting from the Aquarian canto (FQ IV.xi) following the one in which we last hear of Scudamour (IV.x) and extending to at least the Libra canto in which Mercilla renders justice to Duessa (V.x). In Lucian’s True History (I.7) the designated limits of Dionysus’ east and Hercules’ west curiously met in the same place. Hercules’ and Dionysus' footprint coincide, in that Lucian’s traveler and mock-historian found at ancient journeying’s limits.
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> On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:59:22 -0500
> Scott Lucas <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Dear list members,
>> I just finished teaching Book 5 of the *Faerie Queene* a little while
>> ago, and I have had a question lingering with me ever since we began that
>> book that I hope someone can answer. At the opening of canto 1, Spenser
>> recounts how vice was combatted in ancient times by "some of the vertuous
>> race" who heroically opposed unrighteousness. The very first of these
>> virtuous figures, according to Spenser, was the god Bacchus, who, coming to
>> the eastern world, "wrong repressed, and establisht right,/ Which lawlesse
>> men had formerly fordonne./ There Iustice first her princely rule begonne"
>> (V.i.1-2).
>> Bacchus seems to me a very strange figure to laud as a champion of "right,"
>> lawfulness, and justice, since I tend to think of him as a god of frenzy,
>> chaos, and release from moral restraint. Spenser's treatment of the wine
>> god here seems even stranger when one notes that Spenser apparently
>> associates Bacchus with sin rather than righteousness in Book 1, when he
>> has Gluttony in the House of Pride's parade of sins "right fitly" dressed
>> in "greene vine leaues," suggesting either Bacchus' wine-grape leaves or
>> his ivy (I had thought the former, but A.C. Hamilton in his edition glosses
>> I.iv.22, line 1, as a reference to Bacchus' sacred ivy).
>> Hamilton, in his edition of *FQ*, suggests that Spenser got the idea of
>> Bacchus bringing order and justice to the east from a Renaissance
>> mythographer such as Comes/Conti. Does anyone know what Comes' logic
>> behind presenting Bacchus as a figure of justice and a defender of virtue
>> might have been, and whether there are any classical precedents for this
>> view? In Ovid's *Metamorphoses*, Bacchus certainly takes care of
>> belligerent types such as his would-be kidnappers and Pentheus, but these
>> seem actions done against those who defy him personally and not deeds done
>> for the sake of the establishment of justice, as Spenser suggests.
>> Thanks,
>> Scott
>> Scott C. Lucas
>> Professor of English
>> The Citadel, the Military College of South Carolina
>> Charleston, SC 29409
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