Thanks L foregrounded of course I know -it is something to do with a male
member
Cheerips looking forward to next poem
-----Original Message-----
From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of Lawrence Upton
Sent: 06 November 2011 13:14
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Walking through Kemyel
Be very careful, Patrick, if you ever buy a car; you might be sold a big
dictionary; and big dictionaries cost a lot of fuel to get up any speed
you are not a simpleton
i just go by ear also; it may be the only way to write poetry; but that
*is a mode of thinking; what I wrote was an attempt to put that into
discursive language
you know what _foregrounded_ means
and so on
Thanks for the initial question though; it pushed me to consider my own
decision
L
On Sun, November 6, 2011 13:03, Patrick McManus wrote:
> L best of luck with the thinking
> -I simpleton just go by my ear!!
> not sure about big words like 'semantic is so
> Foregrounded'
> 'conjunctive'
> sound play here does that mean you like and /stand ? unsayableness? little
> ineffable
>
> So that is a bit used car salesman talk to me
>
>
> Cheers P the unlettered unfettered
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Lawrence Upton
> Sent: 06 November 2011 12:34
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Walking through Kemyel
>
>
> Thank you, Patrick
>
>
> Your question is a good one.
>
>
> If I say _yes_ it isn't said glibly; I have spent much time
> on this poem, chopping off a bit here and there; it started much longer
>
> Kemyel is a strange place and I have tried to retrieve from it something
> of an intense experience which may be communicable
>
> and, for what it's worth to know it, the verse reorders a small element
> of another poem soon to be published so that there is the possibility of
> echo / recall little ineffable
>
>
> but I digress
>
> there is a weak reason for retaining _and_ of wrecking the rhythm, not
> just changing what is there, every change does that to some extent if we
> take rhythm to include sound play, but leaving something quite messy
> behind
>
> I call that a weak reason because, if you like, that's the job, to get it
> right over all; and I can hardly counter _music!_ when the semantic is
> so foregrounded
>
> I feel that here _and_ isn't just conjunctive but carries conjunctive and
> _but_ and even a kind of _therefore_ or _thus_
>
>
> If what that points to is more than a little ineffable, that's ok, that's
> what I was after; and, in retrospect, all the verbal overgrowth I cut
> back before inviting people in was cut back to display that small
> unsayableness
>
> I'd like to think
>
>
> L
>
>
> I
>
>
> On Sat, November 5, 2011 18:59, Patrick McManus wrote:
>
>> Powerful -does it need the 'and '?
>> P
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>> Behalf Of Lawrence Upton
>> Sent: 05 November 2011 12:20
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Walking through Kemyel
>>
>>
>>
>> hope out of range
>>
>> voice calloused
>>
>> above menslaughtering sea
>>
>> and, in a field, nearby, stones, in a circle, stand
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>> UNFRAMED GRAPHICS by Lawrence Upton
>> 42 pages; A5 paperback; colour cover
>> Writers Forum 978 1 84254 277 4
>> wfuk.org.uk/blog ----
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>>
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> UNFRAMED GRAPHICS by Lawrence Upton
> 42 pages; A5 paperback; colour cover
> Writers Forum 978 1 84254 277 4
> wfuk.org.uk/blog ----
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UNFRAMED GRAPHICS by Lawrence Upton
42 pages; A5 paperback; colour cover
Writers Forum 978 1 84254 277 4
wfuk.org.uk/blog
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