Hello,
>> The VO Registration Security Policy which mandates dns-style VO names
>> was formally approved by WLCG on 7th July 2009 and by EGEE on 10th July
>> 2009. The idea of using DNS has been around since 2006, but never
>> formally adopted.
As I recall the DNS-style was a quick-n-dirty fix to the fusion VO clash -
the only mail I can find easily ATM is David Groep's to LCG-ROLLOUT on
22/03/06 reporting that the Middleware Security Group had adopted the plan
(and landing one D Kelsey with the task of turning it into a policy!) -
but somehow I'd always assumed that the task of ensuring unique VO names
would eventually be covered by the process itself of registration within the CIC
portal, rather than having to deal with DNS registries (by my reading the
requirement is that the VO name be actually registrable, rather than just
have dots in it).
I missed any later discussion - very likely me not paying attention! - but
on reflection I don't like the DNS route as it enforces artificial
regional connotations on to the VOs.
Note that we're an INTERNATIONAL collaboration, so mice...uk or .edu are
inappropriate, and mice.int is probably out of our price range :(
Indeed we do have a webserver at IIT in the US, but if needed that could
move elsewhere just as our eLog has mived from IIT to Daresbury to RAL;
the URL is just a machine name, whereas the VO name IS the Collaboration
itself in some sense.
I'd quite like it if the Institute of Physics would lease us something
under physics.org but it seems unlikely (not sure what non-physics VOs
would do, either).
Plan B is, of course, to get "mice" registered as one of those new TLDs...
:)
Thanks
Henry
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From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Kelsey [[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 04 October 2011 10:14
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TB-SUPPORT] Moving VO name - is there a standard way.
Correction....
" The idea of using DNS has been around since 2006, but never formally adopted."
I meant, of course, never formally adopted in the period 2006 to July 2009. It was adotped in July 2009!
Dave
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes [mailto:TB-
> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Kelsey
> Sent: 04 October 2011 10:13
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Moving VO name - is there a standard way.
>
> David,
>
> The VO Registration Security Policy which mandates dns-style VO names
> was formally approved by WLCG on 7th July 2009 and by EGEE on 10th July
> 2009. The idea of using DNS has been around since 2006, but never
> formally adopted.
>
> Any VO which pre-exists those dates can, I think, legitimately claim an
> exemption. I am not so sympathetic to VOs created since July 2009!
>
> BUT... for any new VOs being created, PLEASE remember that you have to
> abide by this. We have in the past had clashes between two VOs with
> the same name and what starts off as a local VO so often wants to
> expand later.
>
> Regards
> Dave
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> Dr David Kelsey
> Particle Physics Department
> Rutherford Appleton Laboratory
> Chilton, DIDCOT, OX11 0QX, UK
>
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes [mailto:TB-
> > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: 04 October 2011 09:54
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Moving VO name - is there a standard way.
> >
> > FYI, at RAL, existing data does exist, Data goes back at least until
> > 22April 2009 ( so two and a half years?).
> > I can find 13 sites; 11 in UK, one in Italy and one in Bulgaria that
> > support them.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes [mailto:TB-
> > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Gordon
> > Sent: 04 October 2011 09:17
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Moving VO name - is there a standard way.
> >
> > if this VO is hosted in the UK then I am happy to ask for an
> exemption
> > as the NGI.
> >
> > Historically this wasn't imposed retrospectively so existing VOs like
> > the LHC ones and many others weren't asked to change. The case for an
> > exemption is that this is a long-standing VO, not a new one; it is
> > just the registration in the cic portal that is new. What evidence do
> > we have for this assertion? How long has it been in VOMS? How many
> > sites support it? More than one country? Does it have existing data?
> >
> > I suspect like the DREAM VO recently, the hurdle might be technically
> > in the portal rather than procedurally.
> >
> > John
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes [mailto:TB-
> > > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ewan MacMahon
> > > Sent: 03 October 2011 23:48
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: Moving VO name - is there a standard way.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Testbed Support for GridPP member institutes [mailto:TB-
> > > > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Colling
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > i agree with everything that you say. Can you think of who to
> > > approach to
> > > > try get an exemption?
> > > >
> > > Have there been any exceptions already? In particular, what about
> > > the big LHC VOs?
> > >
> > > Ewan
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