, nagasiva yronwode
thank you. v informative -
although not sure on your meaning where you say:
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> This (comms with the dead) "seems to be the most divergent aspect of ceremonial or Hermetic
> interest in spiritualist techniques: whether and how this intersects "
Communication with the dead was v much part of ancient Hermeticism - esp
if you recognise a central Egyptian component in this magick.
Interesting several modern styles of magick are converging on same fact
- see for example Jake Stratton Kent's views on Goetia in
his new book Geosophia, and indeed my own
writings on Egyptian demonology, Companions of Seth etc.,
?
Incidentally by spiritualism and Crowley, I meant communicating with his
spirit - which is in some modern practitioners accounts.
On issue of being "over protected" and being too much into banishing
rather than invoking - i had an interesting exchange with
Nick Farrell (GD historian) - the nub of which is on his blog
"In Defence of the Lesser Invoking Pentagram", Published in the Hermetic
Virtues Magazine, Volume 2, Issue 3
http://www.nickfarrell.eu/nick-farrell-defence-of-the-lesser-invoking-pentagram.html
"The breakthrough came when I was talking with a very experienced
magician who is not connected with the Golden Dawn tradition. She
flippantly said that one of the problems she had with the GD tradition
was that it was "banishing, banishing, banishing all the time. If you
keep doing that you will have nothing left!" She believed that the
Golden Dawn was told to do an LBRP before every ritual (which the modern
Golden Dawn does). But was this true?"
senebty
Mogg Morgan
ps: Re Egyptian Magick for Mother & Child - there is some newer stuff on
that - and in English -
sometimes rather surprisingly the god Seth is involved in protection of
the new born -
if anyone interested i will try to post some examples -
When i was researching "The Bull of Ombos" I found Ann Macy Roth's et al
articles on "Magical bricks and the bricks of birth" and "The Pss-Kt and
the "opening of the mouth" ceremony. A ritual of birth and rebirth"
useful and think she has other work in this area.
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> * communication with the dead
> -- conventional targets of communication at least from the Fox sisters onward
> == Kardec et al did discuss many variations including the equivalent of telephones/walkie-talkies!;
> == many instances of this had popular authors such as Twain or Baum continuing their corpus!
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> * communication with spirits
> -- compare today's subversion ideologies, manifesting in some very popular horror films
> == including that from Blatty's "The Exorcist"
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> thereafter
> * legend tripping
> == cf. coverage by Bill Ellis
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> and
> * religious Satanist interest in use of the spirit board for contacting demons
> -- cf. the Joy of Satan's emphasis on this as part of their anti-Christianity
> -- as well as the more balanced expression by S. Connolly and others
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> as compared to mystical aims otherwise disposed, seems to be a matter of record and study.
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> As part of a backdrop of association at least, there are anecdotal instances of 'raising the dead for conversation', whether that be Levi's summoning of Apollonius of Tyana, or Dee's supposed summoning up the spirit of a man who had died before giving the whereabouts of a considerable amount of money, or any number of other necromantic pursuits. Where Crowley is concerned there is also some portion of what may have come out of spiritualism in the form of cosmology and an adaptation of at least Asian culture which he retained for periods, such as identification of previous incarnations, connection with the Great White Brotherhood, Secret Chiefs, etc., and brief infatuation with some type(s) of Buddhism.
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> nagasiva yronwode ([log in to unmask]), Director
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