I'd go for that!
Peter
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On 18 Aug 2011, at 09:22, Vetch, Paul wrote:
> Ditto!
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> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Birchall, Danny
> Sent: 18 August 2011 09:20
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> Subject: Re: What would an open source museum CMS look like?
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>>> Thinking that I might put together a "Wordpress for Culture" hackday....
>>> Anyone in?
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> Me!
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> From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mike Ellis
> Sent: 18 August 2011 9:07
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> Subject: Re: [MCG] What would an open source museum CMS look like?
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> Blimey, you turn your back for five minutes and a thread the size of the BM explodes on the MCG... :-)
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> Brilliant posts - thanks everyone. Couple of misc thoughts:
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>> The thing that always seems to be missing in CMS conversations (or
> represented far too low down in order of importance) is usability. And by that I mean usability for the editors, not the front-end. One of the whole points about CMS is to enable non-technical people to edit content, and yet it is here for these non-technical types that many CMS's fail..
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>> The perennially awful thing about almost all of them is the rich text
> editing. I found it totally astounding for example that Sitecore - the incumbent CMS at NMSI - has a mindblowingly flexible API that do and talk to pretty much anything. Try and actually *edit* some text or *gasp* paste from Word? Result: horrible markup and frustrated users...
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>> The reasons for choosing O/S are as much about the community that sit
> around the product as anything else. Wordpress is a blinding platform because you can always find answers to questions. The community is enormous, and growing. This isn't me saying WP is the right platform for museum sites (although I think WP is a damn good answer for many sites *up to a certain
> scale*) - but that the "bespoke vs open" thing isn't just about the licensing.
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>> I don't think Drupal can ever be presented as a "plug and play"
>> solution
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> Personally I think Nick and Danny nailed it - there is no single solution, and the best response to this is surely building plugins, modules and connectors.
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> Thinking that I might put together a "Wordpress for Culture" hackday....
> Anyone in?
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> Mike
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> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Cristiano Bianchi | Keepthinking < [log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> Or maybe to have one system that does it all, in terms of (extended)
>> content management.
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>> Website, collection (both internal information, the 'real; collection
>> management, as well as the web display of collections), exhibition and
>> events. And everything else that a museum or gallery needs. Plus the
>> shop (e-commerce for tickets, donations, merchandise, membership,
>> etc), all integrated into one, single database, and managed using one
>> integrated, web based software. With no compromises in terms of
>> quantity and quality of meta-data you can have, flexibility to adapt
>> to individual and changing needs, access to external resources and
>> vocabularies (e.g. Getty), mapping to ontologies (e.g. CIDOC-CRM, Lido
>> or Dublin Core), integrated rights and digital asset management (local
>> as well as online), production of reports in PDF as well as XML, APIs
>> (that can easily This would cover most of the needs of any small of
>> large museum, leaving out (thanks to Nick Poole for his excellent analysis):
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>> - School Group Bookings Systems
>> - Office/productivity systems (including Contacts systems)
>> - Customer Relationship Management Systems
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>> The problem we have with Drupal and the likes is that... we already
>> have such a system, which has been built from scratch over the last
>> ten years following our work with museums and galleries. In time (next
>> year) will integrate what is outstanding. Should that system be open
>> source? It can be, if we find a compelling reason for it: in any case
>> we do not charge a license fee for it, only implementation (i.e. we do
>> not make money from selling it, at this stage).
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>> And regarding what Tim Trent said:
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>>> I think the most important WCMS element is WYSIWYG.
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>> With similar vigour I would say this is not what's important, quite
>> the opposite. What you get depends on where you get it and when you
>> get it and changes all the time, with new browsers, new technologies, new platforms.
>> Stick to WYSIWYG and your content is out-of-date as soon as you have
>> created it. What you want to see is the web of logical connections
>> between content objects, the network of relationships that define
>> meaning for content according to contextual environments, in an
>> abstract way. This goes back to the point I was trying to make
>> earlier: content is one thing and presentation another. They should talk to each other as little as possible.
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>> Best, Cristiano
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>>> I think the difficulty comes when you want to use a Content
>>> management
>> system (like Drupal and WordPress) to exhibit collections.
>>> Then the webCMS has to have many of the attributes of a musCMS.
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>>> I think the answer, as has been suggested, is a three part system.
>>> * Collections management
>>> * Exhibition Data management
>>> * Presentation system (web or otherwise)
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>>> I think I now understand the original question to relate to the
>> specification of a presentation system for web use that would
>> integrate exhibition data with the other important elements of museum website.
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>>> However, it seems to me that the missing part that needs to be
>>> built, is
>> something that can import data from a wide variety of collections
>> management systems and export it for use in a wide variety of off the
>> shelf open source Content Management Systems?
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>>> e.g. Import objects, output articles (with rich metadata)
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