Both "an' 'em" and "an''at" are common in (London)Derry and other
parts of Ulster/Northern Ireland, where it's probably a normal result
of the variable deletion of the fricative.
Kevin McCafferty
Siterer Barbara Johnstone <[log in to unmask]>:
> Ron Macaulay has described the use of the "terminal tag" 'and that'
> in contemporary Scottish speech. The former coal miner Macaulay
> studied used one terminal tag per 60 words in narrative; 40% of these
> were 'and that'. I don't know of any descriptions of this particular
> form in the US besides in Pittsburgh (and I've looked!).
>
> Ref: Macaulay, Ronald. 1985. The narrative skills of a Scottish coal
> miner. In Focus on: Scotland, ed. Manfred Goerlach, 101-124.
> Amsterdam/Philadelphia: John Benjamins Publishing Company, pp.
> 112-114.
>
> Barbara
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Flanigan, Beverly <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Pittsburgh has a similar associative plural, I believe: "an' 'at" <
>> "and that." I've heard it from only one person here in Southeast
>> Ohio, our former police chief, who came from SW Pennsylvania; it's
>> the equivalent of "etc." for him. Anybody know how widespread it is?
>>
>> Beverly Flanigan
>> Ohio University
>>
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>> I would argue that the "dem" plural and the "an'(d)em" form,
>> sometimes called
>> the associative plural, are two very different structures. "John and them"
>> doesn't mean "more than one John". And they may have very different
>> histories.
>> I associate the first with varieties with creole input, while the second is
>> more widespread (for example, it's extremely common here in Newfoundland).
>>
>> gerard
>>
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