Thanks Mike. Do drop me a line.
In the meantime, if anyone fancies a stroll down memory lane, Alastair Dunning's excellent registry of NOF-Digitise projects is online at:
http://web.me.com/xcia0069/nof.html
All best,
Nick
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-----Original Message-----
From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mike Ellis
Sent: 28 June 2011 09:52
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Subject: Re: MCG historical query - criticisms of Culture Online programme?
Hey Nick
Yes, I remember EnrichUK, although that was only ever "the projects" rather than "the stuff in the projects", wasn't it..? As such, it's hardly surprising that it wasn’t used...
Couldn't agree more about the technology aspect - as you know, I'm being TIC about it suggesting a GSA, but seems to me that quite a lot of the "hard bit" has been done, technology-wise. That gives us scope to get interesting with the actual front end.
Ditto, couldn't agree more about not just letting this material slip away. Will ping you off list about the aggregation piece.
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Mike
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Sent: 28 June 2011 09:46
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Hi Mike,
Cross-project aggregation/metasearch for the NOF-Digi projects was certainly an afterthought, but it did happen in the form of the EnrichUK platform. Sadly, this was short-lived. I am not entirely sure why, but I suspect that it was not widely used.
As you know, the Collections Trust worked with Leicester University on a proposal to JISC for a post-hoc aggregation of the content produced by the NOF-digi projects. At the time, this didn't proceed - partly because of the relative complexity of resolving the challenge of retrospectively licensing the content for re-use.
We haven't given up, however, and are on the case once again to try and aggregate the legacy NOF-digi content into the Culture Grid. The registry of NOF-digi projects produced by Alastair Dunning at JISC provides a useful way of reconnecting to approximately 2/3 of the material, but there remain real problems in working out exactly how it can be used. One difficulty is that it is neither alive nor dead, but in a state of suspended animation.
Personally, given that this represents the largest single body of public investment in Digitisation in the sector from the 'golden age' of museum funding between 1999 and 2005 (yes, that was a golden age...), I think we really should collaborate to ensure that the current and next generation of services can make use of it.
I'm also *very* keen not to present this as just a technology problem. Yes, there are a number of simple search apps that would do the job, but if that's all we do, we're going to be creating another EnrichUK. So, what is the model for re-use and persistent access which would ensure not only that these things exist, but are actively used by a significant number of normal humans?
All best,
Nick
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-----Original Message-----
From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mike Ellis
Sent: 28 June 2011 09:29
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Subject: Re: MCG historical query - criticisms of Culture Online programme?
This is slightly off-piste...
But one of the things I never understood about the NOF project was that there was never any cross-project aggregation.
We spent months (probably like most people involved in the project) getting our metadata (head tags) right for http://www.ingenious.org.uk, and adhering to what I understood was a NOF-wide standard. The natural next step - and probably not a terribly hard one once all the work had been done by the various projects - would surely have been some aggregation / search?
Not a sausage.
Maybe someone burnt the money, but still a shame. A £15k Google Search Appliance would have done it :-)
cheers
Mike
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-----Original Message-----
From: Museums Computer Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of J DAVIS
Sent: 27 June 2011 23:05
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Subject: Re: MCG historical query - criticisms of Culture Online programme?
I'd remembered City Heritage Guides - once I saw them in the list.
They seemed to overlap - quite a lot in some places - with what we were trying to do in the NOF-Digitise Sense of the Place projects that were already well under way or finishing by that time. But it provided more jobs, which is always a good thing, and gathered info in one place where it hasn't vanished, which is A Very Good Thing.
One thing that I think came out of 2000-2005 funding for digital projects in public culture was that it would be good to have better overview and coordination across funding streams for future projects.
Is there an up-to-date list now of all digitisation & digital culture projects? I'm aware that Alastair Dunning put together a NOF-Digi and HLF projects list a while ago.
Janet
--- On Mon, 27/6/11, Bridget McKenzie
> Ah yes, completely forgot Icons. City
> Heritage Guides wasn't in my
> consciousness as a collections-based project.
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