There have been a number of comments on this thread about Listed Buildings that can't be found on or are missing from the NHLE. If you have any such cases can you please provide feedback by email to [log in to unmask] and we will look into it and get back to you. If it proves to be a searching issue we can help ensure you find the record for the building you need next time. If the building has been missed off we will correct this and let you know. In such cases if there is no documentation on our files we may require you to send us a copy of the appropriate amendment so we can add it as in some old DCMS cases EH was never formally notified.
Regards
Martin
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ben Croxford
Sent: 17 May 2011 13:32
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HERFORUM] National Heritage List for England
Re: scheduled monuments - yes, but not as many as listed buildings. The odd railway line built through them or being in the wrong place, but not many.
Ben Croxford
Historic Environment Record Officer
Heritage Conservation
Kent County Council
2nd Floor Invicta House
County Hall
Maidstone
Kent ME14 1XX
Tel: 01622 223528
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Winfield, Hugh
Sent: 17 May 2011 12:10
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: National Heritage List for England
We had one that was upgraded from a II to II* in 2004 and I only knew about it when NHL came online - the old databases, including the XML they sent out c.2006, all had it as a II and indeed when I phoned EH some of their systems still had it as a II. I think the NHL will be useful in ironing out the kinks that have developed over the years.
On the subject of LPAs not informing EH of demolitions, in the past our authority and it's ancestors often failed to inform EH of changes/demolitions to buildings including II* and ignored advice leading to de-listing when the greenback/blueback was re-done. One of the worst cases was a row of 17th century almshouses being demolished and rebuilt which were, according to the LPA, only on the "draft" list despite in actuality having been listed for 15 years - no-one bothered to tell DOE so they remained listed for another 19 years until the greenback was revised.
Anyone found any mistakes with Scheduled Monuments?
Hugh
Hugh Winfield
Archaeologist and Historic Environment Record Officer Development Management Origin Two, Origin Way Europarc, Grimsby North East Lincolnshire
DN37 9TZ
Tel: (01472) 32 3586 Fax: (01472) 32 4216
Balfour Beatty working in partnership with North East Lincolnshire Council
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Webster
Sent: 16 May 2011 11:30
To: Winfield, Hugh
Subject: Re: National Heritage List for England
It was "the little oddities" with no digital record that I was talking about.
Chris Webster
Somerset Historic Environment Record
Somerset Heritage Centre
Brunel Way
Taunton
TA2 6SF
01823 347434
Online HER: www.somerset.gov.uk/her
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ben Croxford
Sent: 16 May 2011 10:28
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: National Heritage List for England
Dear All,
In Kent I have been co-ordinating my volunteers over the last 18 months to check all of our listed building record coordinates (18,000+). We now have the same number as EH (apart from the few that we know about that they have no digital record of, they are sorting that little oddity out). We have also corrected the location of >500 buildings and delisted/amended 50+. I now have my volunteers checking pre-1st edition OS dated buildings against said map in order to check that the LB point for the (e.g.) 17th century farmhouse is actually on a building that pre-dates the mid 19th century. This is turning up hundreds of corrections too. I had a work experience placement last week that checked all of the K6 phone boxes in the county, using Google StreetView, and lots of those had to be updated (often they are in the wrong place or occasionally on modern phone boxes rather than the K6 further down the road).
If you are going to get a building delisted, make sure they update the coordinates (if they are wrong) first! Apparently the new system has some problems with updating details such as coordinates for de-designated assets...
Happy to discuss methods used to run these checks if anybody else is interested/considering doing likewise.
Ben Croxford
Historic Environment Record Officer
Heritage Conservation
Kent County Council
2nd Floor Invicta House
County Hall
Maidstone
Kent ME14 1XX
Tel: 01622 223528
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From: Issues related to Historic Environment Records [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris Webster
Sent: 13 May 2011 16:30
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: National Heritage List for England
While I was adding the new NHL numbers to the Somerset HER, I came across 4 buildings that didn't appear to be in the new list. After checking on the online NHL, I alerted EH who (after some scepticism) have confirmed that they are indeed absent and will try to sort it out.
If there are 4 in Somerset, it suggests a couple of hundred country-wide. Has anyone else come across this and, if you do, could you let EH know.
They were all list amendments rather than from Greenbacks. I expect they were not passed to EH by DCMS.
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Chris Webster
Somerset Historic Environment Record
Somerset County Council
Somerset Heritage Centre
Brunel Way
Taunton
TA2 6SH
01823 347434
Online HER at www.somerset.gov.uk/her
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